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Good evening everyone and I declare the

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meeting open please stand for the

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opening prayer which tonight will be

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read by Panda Jatan Kumabat from the Sri

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Mandi Hindu temple.

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Good evening to all. This is the peace

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prayer for everyone.

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Shanty shanty shanty.

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Request to God. Lead us from the unreal

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to real. Lead us from the darkness to

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light. Lead us from the dead to

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immortality. Oh peace. Peace. Peace.

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Thank you. Pandit. I acknowledge the

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custodians of the land on which we meet

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and pay my respects to Elders both past,

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present and emerging and indeed to any

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Indigenous person in the room here

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tonight.  please remain standing for

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the national anthem.

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Australians.

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all let us rejoice for we are one and

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free

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with golden soil and wealth for toil.

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Our home is girt by sea.

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our land abounds in nature's gifts
of beauty rich and rare in history's page
let every stage Advance Australia Fair
in joyful strains then let us sing
Advance Australia Fair

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Council, I would like to make an

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application to be granted leave of

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absence  for the Ordinary Council

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meeting on the 21st of September of

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2025. Can I have a mover and a second?

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Moved Councellor Yasar, seconded councellor

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Saha. All those in favor say aye. Anyone

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against? I declare that carried. 

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councellors, I have a  received one

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request to attend tonight's  meeting

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via audio visisual.

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 councellor

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Yep. Good councellor Selven would

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like to make an application to attend

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this meeting via audio visisual link due

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to interstate work commitments.

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 moved. Deputy Mayor Zaiter, seconded,

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councellor Kafrouni Saba. All those in favor

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say aye. Anyone against? I declare that

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carried. Please be advised that the open

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session of this council meeting will be

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recorded and streamed live on council's

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website. This recording will also be

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made available on council's website.

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Whilst all efforts  are made to

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respect the privacy of the public

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gallery and members of the public may be

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recorded. Council requests that all in

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attendance be respectful and use

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appropriate language. Recording of the

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proceedings of this meeting is not

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permitted without prior approval.

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Councellors, can I get a mover and a

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second that the minutes of the ordinary

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council meeting held on the 18th of June

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be confirmed?

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Moved  councellor Elmore seconded.

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councellor Saha. I will now put the 

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motion. All those in favor say aye.

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Anyone against?

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I declare that carried.  council,

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there are there any declarations

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of interest this evening?

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No  declarations of

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interest. Oh tonight Councellors,

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there are three Mayoral minutes and a copy

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of these have been circulated to you.

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 and hard copies are available on

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your desks.

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The first Mayoral minute  is in relation

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to  the greater Cumberland Chamber

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of Commerce. Our local businesses are

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the backbone of our community. They

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provide jobs, support local families,

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and help create a vibrant and connected

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place to live and work. The Greater

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Cumberland Chamber of Commerce continues

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to play a key role in bringing

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businesses together, running events and

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programs that support business growth

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and helping local operators navigate

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challenges and opportunities. Council

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has worked closely with the chamber over

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the years  in co-delivering

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initiatives. And it's clear that strong

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partnerships like this deliver real

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benefits to our community. In accordance

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with  council's sponsorship policy and

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guidelines, I'm proposing that council

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provide the Chamber of Commerce with a

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financial sponsorship of $10,000 to

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assist with the delivery of its business

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related programs and activities for the

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year ahead,

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including initiatives such as networking

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events,  skills workshops, shop local

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campaigns, and other initiatives that

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help build a stronger local economy.

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This is a practical way for council to

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back small businesses, strengthen local

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networks, and keep local businesses

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thriving. Therefore, Councellors,

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tonight, I move the  words that are on

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the screen. Do I have any discussion?

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Council,

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councellor Garrard.

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Point of explanation, please while

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the minute reads 15,000 the

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recommendation reads 10.

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I've got 10,000 on both of mine.

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So,   I will clarify that it's

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$10,000 not 15.

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So, the words  that are on the

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screen are the words that we are

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I know that. But the important aspect of

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a Mayoral minute is actually the minute and

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the minute says 15,000

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I just read a minute out and I said

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$10,000.

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Yeah. No, but the minute there it is

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there. Okay. You may  have a

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what is yours?

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councellor, do you have any other

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contributions to make?

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Look, look, my comments I fully

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support the minute and its intention.

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and I wouldn't have any trouble

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supporting 15 to tell you the truth.

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But  I see this as so important.

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 and obviously you do too, but of

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course the minute has that  

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makes the point of how the 

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important role that the chamber plays

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within the community generally. I

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think it should be built into our

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operational plan  that each year that

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they know where how much they've got

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moving forward so that we don't have

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this situation where they're really

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going cap in hand to council every year

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looking to looking for $10,000. I

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I'd prefer to see a some sort of

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 document developed between the

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a memorandum of

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understanding between the chamber and

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the council which you know gives them

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perhaps 5 years  life in terms of what

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they're getting year after year. so they

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know what they're dealing with and they

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can plan plan into the future. I know

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that money would be important in terms

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of their their general planning.  I'm

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just suggesting a way of business would

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be to do that memorandum so we do have a

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true partnership with the business

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community and we we deal with it that

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way.

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Thank you councellor. That's a good

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point. It'll be good to do some work in

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the background on  that and give

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Councellors some time to consider that

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work. Um, is there any other discussion?

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councellor Christou. Madame Mayor, I also

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support the minute because I think it's

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very important that we support the

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Chamber of Commerce. But I would also

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like to reinforce what councellor Garrard

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said because my copy also says in

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accordance with council's sponsorship

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policy and guidelines, I'm proposing

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that council provide the Chamber of

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Commerce with a financial sponsorship of

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$15,000. Now, I'm happy to support

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either. You've clarified that you wish

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to  support $10,000. I'll go along

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with that, but I will make a suggestion

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for the future. Madame Mayor, if

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someone's writing your Mayoral minutes,

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perhaps you should proof read them

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before coming to chamber.

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Thank you, councellor.  councellor

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Sarkis,

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I wasn't there, but

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Thank you, councellor. Can I suggest to

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the Councellors that  council's 

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sponsorship policy and guidelines allows

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only for $10,000. Thank you. I'm now

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going to put the merit. All those in

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favor say aye

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Anybody against? That's unanimous. I

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declare that carried.

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I now move to the passing of former

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MP and WSROC CEO  Charles 

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Causcceli RFD

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It is with  deep sadness that I

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acknowledge the passing of Mr. Charles

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Causcceli, RFD, the  long-serving chief

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executive officer of the Western Sydney

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 Regional Organization of Councils,

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otherwise known as WSROC,  and

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former member for Strathfield in New

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South Wales Parliament. Charles passed

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away suddenly on the 20th of June in

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2025, aged 68. His death is a

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significant loss to our region and I'd

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like to pass on Cumberland City

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Council's sincere  condolences

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 and appreciation for 

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his many years of public service and

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passionate advocacy for Western Sydney.

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Charles served as a CEO of Westroc from

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2015 until his passing. During this

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time, he was a tireless and respected

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advocate for Western Sydney, fiercely 

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dedicating   dedicated rather to

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ensuring the region's voice was heard at

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all levels of government. He championed

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strategies to minimize urban heat and

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create more Liverpool neighborhoods for

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the region's growing population. Prior

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to this time at to his time at WSROC,

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Charles  represented the electorate of

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Strathfield in New South Wales

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Legislative Assembly as a member of the

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Liberal Party from 20 from March 26

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sorry from the 26th of March 2011 to the

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6th of March 2015. During his tenure, he

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chaired the Legislative Assembly

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Committee on Transport and

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Infrastructure and was a member of the

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Legislative Assembly Committee on Law

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and Safety as well as the joint select

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committee on sentencing sentencing of

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child sexual assault offenders.

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Charles's background in traffic

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management and infrastructure helped

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support and enhance his ability to

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advocate for city shaping and planning

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reform. Charles also served in the

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Australian Army Reserve and was awarded

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 the Reserve Forces Decoration in 1993

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for his dedication  and service. His

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career exemplified a life of civic duty

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leadership and dedication to community.

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He will be remembered not only for his

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leadership but for his passion, his

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intellect, and his unwavering belief in

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the power of local government and

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Western Sydney's bright future. Charles

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dedicated his life to public service and

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touched many lives during his

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distinguished career.

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Charles was considered a good friend of

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this council and on behalf of Cumberland

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City Council, I extend our deepest

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sympathies to Charles's family, friends,

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and colleagues. His contribution to

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public service and to the advancement of

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our region will not be forgotten

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forgotten. Therefore, Councellors,

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tonight I move  the words on the

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screen. Do I have any discussion?

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councellor Saha.

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Madame Mayor,  I'm the council

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representative at the WSROC board

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and I joined about two meetings back

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and I had a brief  introduction and

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quite  formal and informal chat with

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the CEO Charles. I must say he was a

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very passionate advocate for Western

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Sydney. Apart from my discussion with

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him on council waste management and 

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council contribution and how the

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community can grow and develop and its

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impact with the Western Sydney airport.

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His  Italian heritage definitely

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kicked in and we talked in brief length

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on coffees as well. It's a great 

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sadness when I come to know about 

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that he's not  with us anymore. I also

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like to take this opportunity to extend

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my deepest condolences to his family,

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friends and colleagues and I believe

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that everyone who was  will miss

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him.

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Thank you counsellor.  could we please

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all stand for a minute silence.

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Before

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we start our minute silence, I'm going

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to put the motion. All those in favor

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say aye.

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Anyone against the motion, the Mayoral

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minute. I declare that carried and we

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will now do our minute silence. Thank

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you.

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Please be seated.

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My next Mayoral minute relates to the

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recent passing of Mustafa El Saddik

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And before I begin, I'd like to

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acknowledge that in the gallery tonight,

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we have  Mustafa's friends and carers

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and  Mustafa's mother Lena and father

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Abdul and members of the El Saddik

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family. Welcome and I sincerely thank

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you for attending tonight I know

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this is really a difficult time for your

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family please accept our

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condolences. And it is with great

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sadness that I bring to the attention of

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council the recent passing of Mustafa

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El Saddik, a remarkable young man whose

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life and legacy have left an enduring

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impact on our community. Mustafa passed

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away last week at the age of 25. And

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despite living with muscular distrophe,

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he faced every challenge with

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extraordinary patience, courage, and

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resilience. He refused to allow his

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disability to define him. Instead, he

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chose to live a life marked by

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positivity, determination, and a deep

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commitment to making

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the world more inclusive and

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compassionate. Mustafa was deeply loved

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and supported by his devoted parents,

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Lena and Abdul,

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who always put him first and whose

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unwavering care and dedication to their

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son's well-being was evident by all who

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knew them.

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Mustafa was a passionate advocate for

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accessibility, particularly for people

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living with a disability. One of his

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most significant contributions was his

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strong advocacy for the installation of

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 pool sling hoists to assist

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wheelchair users at public swimming

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pools within Cumberland. Mustafa first

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approached me soon after I was elected

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 to council in 2017. Passionate about

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the delivery of these hoists at all swim

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centers  within Cumberland and

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particularly at the Granville swim

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center. It was wonderful to see

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Mustafa's passion and commitment to this

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cause which we've been able to

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successfully deliver on within our 

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swim centers as a result of his

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advocacy. His efforts reflected his

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unwavering belief that all members of

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the community deserve equal access to

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public spaces and recreational

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opportunities.

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Mustafa inspired those around him to

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view challenges through a lens of

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possibility and to treat every

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individual with dignity and with

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respect. His legacy will live on through

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the  progress he championed and the

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hearts he touched. And on behalf of

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Cumberland Council, I extend our deepest

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condolences to Mustafa's family,

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including his mother, Lena, his father,

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Abdul, Mustafa's siblings, his friends,

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and his carers who are here tonight

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and all who have had the

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privilege of knowing him. And therefore,

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Councellors, tonight I move  the words

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on the screen and I might read them out

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 that council express its sincere

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condolences to the El SaddiK family for the

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passing of Mustafa El Saddik. Observe a

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minute silence to honour his life.

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Take appropriate steps to commemorate

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his life through the installation of a

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plaque at a suitable location. and

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provide a copy of this Mayoral minute to

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the El Saddik family and invite the

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family to the unveiling of the above

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plaque once installed. Councellors, do I

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have any discussion?

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If there's no discussion, I'm going to

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put the merit. All those in favor say aye.

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Anybody against?

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I declare that carried. Councellors, we

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also have a motion on the agenda

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tonight.

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Minute silence.

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Thank you. Please be seated.

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Councellors, we also have a motion on the

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agenda tonight  from councellor Kafrouni

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in relation to the tragic passing of the

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late Luke Manassa. I'd like to first

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acknowledge that we have  in the

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gallery this evening Luke's father James

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and uncle Lenny welcome and I sincerely

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thank you for being here tonight u

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during this difficult time and  indeed

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offer my condolences on behalf of

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Cumberland Council to you and your

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family.  I propose that it's

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appropriate to deal with this at this

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time.  so in accordance with clause

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8.2 two of the code of meeting practice.

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I propose to alter the order of business

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to bring forward item CO  725160

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notice a motion  the late  Luke

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Manassa to be dealt with at this point.

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Can I have a mover and a second?

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 moved councellor Sarkis seconded

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councel Zaiter. All those in favor say I.

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Anyone against? I declare that carried.

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 councellor Kafrouni will now deal with

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the motion.

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Is it on? Yeah. Madame Mayor, fellow

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counselors, it is with deep sorrow and

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reverence that I rise to move this

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notice of motion to honor the life of

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Luke Manassa, a beloved young, ambitious

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man whose life was lost far too soon.

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Luke's death has shaken many of us, not

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just because of its senseless nature,

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but because of the profound goodness of

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the life that was lost. Those who knew

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him described Luke as a gentle, kind,

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and promising young man, a son, a

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brother, a friend, and a role model. His

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life was one marked by faith, love,

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ambition, and light. And his passing has

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left a heartbreaking silence in so many

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hearts. My heart goes out especially to

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his devoted parents, to his loving

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siblings and all who loved him and held

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him dear, and there are many. To them, I

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wish to extend my deepest sympathies. I

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wish to quote David Manor's beautiful

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trippy on social media that says it all.

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Quote, "Luke was a rare soul overflowing

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with kindness, love, wisdom, talent,

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faith, and intelligence far beyond his

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years. He left behind a legacy of love

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and light that will never fade. And

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while nothing can ease the pain right

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now, I stand firm in one hope that we

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will be reunited again in the presence

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of our loving God and Savior Jesus

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Christ." Close quote. These words of

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grief, but not without hope, reflect the

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strength and faith of a family that is

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mourning with such grace and dignity. At

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Luke's funeral, held at Our Lady of

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Lebanon Co. Cathedral, the community

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gathered in love and sorrow, releasing

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21 white doves in his honour, a testament

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not only to his age, but to the light he

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carried in his short time on earth. The

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preciding priest shared something

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powerful. How Luke's father initially

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wanted to name him Joshua. But on the

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morning of Luke's birth, the family

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heard a reading from the Gospel of Luke.

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It spoke of hope and light. And so his

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name was chosen, Luke, a bearer of the

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light of the gospel. The funeral booklet

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carried a verse from the Gospel of John

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that reads, "Those who believe in me,

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even though they die, will live." Luke's

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light has not been extinguished. He

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lives on in the memories of his family,

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in the spirit of his friends, in the

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echo of his laughter on the basketball

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court, and in the deep hope that this

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council can honor his name, not only

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with words, but with action. And so

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through this motion, we do five things.

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One, we pay tribute to Luke's life, a

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life of promise, compassion, and faith.

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Two, we acknowledge the pain and grief

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felt by his family and the community who

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knew and loved him. Three, we recognize

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the growing issue of youth violence, a

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tragedy that has claimed yet another

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innocent life. Four, we propose in

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respectful consultation with Luke's

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family, to explore the installation of a

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commemorative plague or the renaming of

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a local space such as the basketball

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court where Luke's love for the game and

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community can live on. And most

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importantly, we commit to working with

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the police, schools, and local youth

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services to urgently address the issues

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that are pushing some young people

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towards crime while others like Luke

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become the innocent victims of it.

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Luke's life mattered. His story deserves

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to be remembered. And through this

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motion, we ensure that his light

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continues to shine, not just as a

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memory, but as a symbol of hope for the

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future. Ali, may his memory be eternal.

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And I commend this motion to the

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council. Thank you councellor councellor
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Rammy.

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Thank you madame mayor.

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So I concur with all the beautiful words

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that were so well articulated by

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councellor Nadima Kafrouni Saba. However um I

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might add a few pertinent words just 

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in addition to what she's um already

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spoken about. A few weeks ago, members

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of the Manassa family and close

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associates of the family reached out to

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me with an idea to implement something

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that will ensure the memory of Luke

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lives on.

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And immediately I agreed because I

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believed this was a great way to

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remember and to celebrate

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the way that Luke lived his life. um and

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in a way

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for the for the moment put behind us as

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as hard as that is the tragic

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circumstances in which his life ended.

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It was a life riddled with innocence,

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kindness, love and intelligence. But at

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the cornerstone of all this was his

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devotion to his marinite faith. And that

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was very evident at his funeral service

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at Our Lady of Lebanon.

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And it is this Marinite faith that I am

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certain is soothing the souls of his fam

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his parents first and foremost. All

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those that were touched by this

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beautiful young individual

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including his family, friends, and

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relatives.

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I'm sure that the fact he's in heaven

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with Jesus is what is comforting his

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family amidst all the sadness, grief,

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shock, and despair.

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The basketball court in focus  in Grey

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Stains has been chosen for a number of

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reasons.

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One, Luke's enormous love of basketball

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and he his talented abilities in this

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sport. I'm told he excelled in

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basketball and devoted a lot of his

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spare time and and competed in this

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sport.

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Secondly, only a few days prior to the

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tragic events, I'm told as well that he

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was actually playing at these basketball

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courts and was known to frequent these

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courts  on a regular basis. And

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finally, the courts are actually in

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close proximity to where family lives

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and will ensure that Luke's memory will

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be ever present on a daily basis.

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With all this said and done, I pray that

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the counselors within this chamber

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support this motion to ensure that a

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beautiful soul is never forgotten.

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I also pray for the soul of Luke

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Manassa, his family, his friends, and

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also for the perpetrators.

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Because as Christians, we need to mirror

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the actions of Jesus Christ, who on Good

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Friday during his suffering on the

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cross, forgave those who crucified him

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before he gave up his life.

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So I I hope everyone sees it within

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themselves to support this motion as a

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beautiful gesture to remember a young

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life that was taken away too soon and

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prematurely. God bless you all.

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Thank you, councellor. Counselor Coleman.

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Thank you, Mayor. I also want to um pay

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my condolences  to Luke Manassa's

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family and to  echo the words of my um

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councellor colleague Nadim um councellor
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Kafrouni Saba in relation to this matter.

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, I didn't know Luke personally, but

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he's from my community and many of my

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friends and family um have spoken to me

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about him um about how his tragic death

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has affected them um so significantly

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and my heart goes out to his parents and

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the rest of his family. I understand how

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gut-wrenchingly hard it is when a me a

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young member of your family is taken

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from you in such tragic circumstances

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having terribly lost my own um

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25year-old niece in terrible

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circumstances a couple of years ago and

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the necessity to commemorate his his

00:28:21.120 --> 00:28:24.120
life um a life well-lived even though

00:28:24.320 --> 00:28:26.936
it's cut short is is an important part

00:28:26.960 --> 00:28:29.496
of that and I understand how everyone

00:28:29.520 --> 00:28:31.816
feels in relation to that and so I

00:28:31.840 --> 00:28:34.775
certainly  support this motion in

00:28:34.799 --> 00:28:37.799
relation to that and I just say may 

00:28:38.080 --> 00:28:41.080
God rest his beautiful soul. Thank you.

00:28:41.760 --> 00:28:43.496
Thank you councellor Coleman. councellor
00:28:43.520 --> 00:28:46.520
Sarkis, Madame Mayor. Um unfortunately

00:28:47.120 --> 00:28:48.856
I've only met Luke a couple of times

00:28:48.880 --> 00:28:51.176
throughout his lifetime.

00:28:51.200 --> 00:28:54.200
 but his father and I and his uncle

00:28:54.240 --> 00:28:57.240
Lenny and I we go back some 35 36 years.

00:28:58.559 --> 00:29:00.856
 so when I heard of this

00:29:00.880 --> 00:29:02.856
incident.

00:29:02.880 --> 00:29:04.535
Um,

00:29:04.559 --> 00:29:06.936
my sister and I sat down. We were we

00:29:06.960 --> 00:29:08.135
were the only ones from our family

00:29:08.159 --> 00:29:09.176
years. The rest of the family's

00:29:09.200 --> 00:29:11.736
overseas. We sat down with tears in our

00:29:11.760 --> 00:29:14.760
eyes. Um,

00:29:15.039 --> 00:29:17.976
it's difficult to lose somebody. We lost

00:29:18.000 --> 00:29:19.655
our father only last year and that was

00:29:19.679 --> 00:29:21.576
difficult and we were with James and

00:29:21.600 --> 00:29:24.600
Lenny when they lost theirs. Um

00:29:26.799 --> 00:29:29.799
but to lose your your son or your child

00:29:30.080 --> 00:29:33.080
that I can't I can't contemplate. Um I

00:29:33.200 --> 00:29:35.336
know we have Sam with us in the audience

00:29:35.360 --> 00:29:37.655
and he lost three.

00:29:37.679 --> 00:29:39.255
God,

00:29:39.279 --> 00:29:42.279
you know, people have patience and 

00:29:43.039 --> 00:29:44.535
I don't know what to say to the family

00:29:44.559 --> 00:29:47.559
more than what I've already said. ,

00:29:49.520 --> 00:29:52.520
as we say, um, may our good Lord give

00:29:53.919 --> 00:29:56.919
you patience. Um, just knowing that he's

00:29:57.279 --> 00:30:00.279
resting with him and, um,

00:30:01.200 --> 00:30:03.336
if you're going to remember all the

00:30:03.360 --> 00:30:04.936
beautiful times that you shared with

00:30:04.960 --> 00:30:07.960
him, um, that hopefully will console you

00:30:08.559 --> 00:30:11.559
somehow. I don't know what words can can

00:30:12.720 --> 00:30:15.720
 I guess give comfort, Madame Mayor,

00:30:16.399 --> 00:30:19.399
to grieving parents or a grieving

00:30:19.840 --> 00:30:22.775
family. But it's it's not easy. We know

00:30:22.799 --> 00:30:25.799
that. Um but know that he is with our

00:30:26.720 --> 00:30:29.015
Lord. He's probably having a game of

00:30:29.039 --> 00:30:32.039
cards with his granddad. Um so until we

00:30:34.080 --> 00:30:36.296
all meet again, I guess um may he rest

00:30:36.320 --> 00:30:38.375
in peace.

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Thank you, councel. I will now stand for

00:30:40.159 --> 00:30:43.159
a minute silence.

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And I'll move the I'll move the motion.

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All those in favor?

00:30:49.760 --> 00:30:51.096
There's an addition I'm hearing. Ladies

00:30:51.120 --> 00:30:52.375
and gentlemen, please take your seats.

00:30:52.399 --> 00:30:54.696
There's a an amendment to the motion.

00:30:54.720 --> 00:30:56.856
Who's Who's moving the amendment?

00:30:56.880 --> 00:30:58.296
The second of the motion is moving the

00:30:58.320 --> 00:30:59.655
amendment.

00:30:59.679 --> 00:31:01.496
If you can,

00:31:01.520 --> 00:31:02.375
you can. That's fine.

00:31:02.399 --> 00:31:03.816
Not an amendment. Sorry, just the tweak.

00:31:03.840 --> 00:31:05.816
If you accept that tweak, I just realize

00:31:05.840 --> 00:31:07.895
now that it's not in there.

00:31:07.919 --> 00:31:10.296
Just no no not the minute of silence. 

00:31:10.320 --> 00:31:12.135
the part about the plug about the

00:31:12.159 --> 00:31:13.816
proposal

00:31:13.840 --> 00:31:16.135
just if we can spend

00:31:16.159 --> 00:31:18.775
if as part of that they kind of look at

00:31:18.799 --> 00:31:20.375
the landscape because I understand it's

00:31:20.399 --> 00:31:23.399
a bit run down.

00:31:23.440 --> 00:31:26.440
Are you talking about point four?

00:31:26.640 --> 00:31:29.640
Subject to completion of the ongoing pol

00:31:29.760 --> 00:31:31.416
investigation and in consultation with

00:31:31.440 --> 00:31:33.496
Luke's family, request that council

00:31:33.520 --> 00:31:35.576
staff investigate and report back on the

00:31:35.600 --> 00:31:37.255
feasibility of installing a

00:31:37.279 --> 00:31:39.895
commemorative plaque. Renaming a

00:31:39.919 --> 00:31:42.296
suitable location such as the basketball

00:31:42.320 --> 00:31:43.416
court in Luke's honor.

00:31:43.440 --> 00:31:46.375
Yeah. Yeah. and then a point  maybe

00:31:46.399 --> 00:31:48.775
just a final as part of that point full

00:31:48.799 --> 00:31:51.799
stop and then and in the process look at

00:31:52.799 --> 00:31:55.799
 the appearance of the park and like

00:31:56.320 --> 00:31:57.895
you know slight upgrades to bring it up

00:31:57.919 --> 00:32:00.919
to because I know it's a bit run down

00:32:01.840 --> 00:32:04.840
renewal upgrades

00:32:10.080 --> 00:32:11.576
sorry about that I didn't mean to pull

00:32:11.600 --> 00:32:14.600
that out on everyone

00:32:16.000 --> 00:32:19.000
Yes. And then to invite

00:32:21.440 --> 00:32:22.936
And then just the point about inviting

00:32:22.960 --> 00:32:23.736
the family.

00:32:23.760 --> 00:32:25.416
Yeah. I mean that's, you know,

00:32:25.440 --> 00:32:26.375
it's been given. Yeah.

00:32:26.399 --> 00:32:27.816
That's a given. Goes without saying, but

00:32:27.840 --> 00:32:29.096
let's add it in now that we've stopped.

00:32:29.120 --> 00:32:31.255
Let's add it in. So what's it looking

00:32:31.279 --> 00:32:33.976
like now in Luke's honor? And in the

00:32:34.000 --> 00:32:35.816
process, investigate the ability to

00:32:35.840 --> 00:32:38.840
upgrade the park as required. I'm a bit

00:32:39.919 --> 00:32:42.919
concerned about that those words given

00:32:43.519 --> 00:32:46.056
we haven't identified a park yet.

00:32:46.080 --> 00:32:48.056
Well, there is an indication that it's a

00:32:48.080 --> 00:32:48.775
basketball court.

00:32:48.799 --> 00:32:51.576
Maybe we say if if required. Yeah. You

00:32:51.600 --> 00:32:53.736
happy with that? Okay. All right. So, if

00:32:53.760 --> 00:32:56.616
required. Um

00:32:56.640 --> 00:32:58.535
so, honor.

00:32:58.559 --> 00:33:01.559
Yep.

00:33:02.000 --> 00:33:05.000
If required, please.

00:33:06.799 --> 00:33:09.799
What's in there?

00:33:10.480 --> 00:33:13.096
Okay. And then point five,

00:33:13.120 --> 00:33:15.176
um, invite the family

00:33:15.200 --> 00:33:17.736
one to the unveiling.

00:33:17.760 --> 00:33:18.375
Keep it simple.

00:33:18.399 --> 00:33:19.976
I mean, that goes without saying, but

00:33:20.000 --> 00:33:21.576
absolutely. Let's let's put that in

00:33:21.600 --> 00:33:23.895
there. All right. I'm going to give

00:33:23.919 --> 00:33:26.375
Councellors um 10 seconds to read that,

00:33:26.399 --> 00:33:29.176
get your head around it, and then I'm

00:33:29.200 --> 00:33:32.200
going to move the motion.

00:33:35.039 --> 00:33:38.039
Y. All right. I'm going to now put the

00:33:38.159 --> 00:33:39.976
motion. All those in favor of the

00:33:40.000 --> 00:33:42.456
motion, please say I.

00:33:42.480 --> 00:33:45.480
Anybody against? I declare that carried.

00:33:45.519 --> 00:33:48.519
Can we all stand for a minute? Silence.

00:34:50.800 --> 00:34:53.800
Thank you. Please be seated.

00:34:56.879 --> 00:34:58.856
Councellors, tonight we have three public

00:34:58.880 --> 00:35:01.880
forum speakers.  could Mrs.  Chen

00:35:02.640 --> 00:35:04.616
come forward to the lect turn to address

00:35:04.640 --> 00:35:07.640
council  in relation to item number

00:35:07.920 --> 00:35:10.920
CO725-15.

00:35:11.920 --> 00:35:14.136
, please note you have three minutes

00:35:14.160 --> 00:35:15.736
to address council with a possible

00:35:15.760 --> 00:35:18.760
extension of 2 minutes.

00:35:19.920 --> 00:35:22.376
Mrs. Chen,

00:35:22.400 --> 00:35:25.400
Mrs. Fang, Fang Chen, are you in the

00:35:25.440 --> 00:35:27.656
gallery? Please come to the lect turn,

00:35:27.680 --> 00:35:29.976
ma'am.

00:35:30.000 --> 00:35:33.000
Thank you.

00:35:39.520 --> 00:35:40.936
Thank you, ma'am. You've got three

00:35:40.960 --> 00:35:43.496
minutes with a possible extension of two

00:35:43.520 --> 00:35:44.616
minutes.

00:35:44.640 --> 00:35:47.496
Dear Mayor Ola,

00:35:47.520 --> 00:35:50.520
Deputy Mayor Michael and the counselors,

00:35:52.880 --> 00:35:55.880
thank you for thank you for granting me

00:35:56.240 --> 00:35:59.240
the opportunity to speak today. My name

00:35:59.359 --> 00:36:02.359
is Afan Fine Cheng. I came to Australia

00:36:02.720 --> 00:36:05.720
from China 33 years ago. And for the

00:36:06.720 --> 00:36:09.720
past 13 years, my family and I have

00:36:10.960 --> 00:36:13.960
called a open home. In 1996, I began

00:36:15.839 --> 00:36:18.839
practicing foreign dafa here in Sydney.

00:36:18.880 --> 00:36:21.880
I have embraced the course um principles

00:36:22.960 --> 00:36:25.416
of truthfulness, compassion and

00:36:25.440 --> 00:36:28.376
forbearance to be better person. This

00:36:28.400 --> 00:36:31.400
practice has brought hope to my heart

00:36:33.200 --> 00:36:36.200
and has significantly improved my

00:36:36.400 --> 00:36:39.400
health. In the 29 years since I started

00:36:40.960 --> 00:36:42.456
practice,

00:36:42.480 --> 00:36:45.480
I have not visit um doctor for illness

00:36:47.119 --> 00:36:50.055
only the dentist. I deeply love

00:36:50.079 --> 00:36:53.079
Australia, our democratic, free and

00:36:53.280 --> 00:36:56.280
multicultural nation. This is our home.

00:36:56.560 --> 00:36:59.416
As a resident, I believe we each have

00:36:59.440 --> 00:37:02.440
the responsibility to contribute a

00:37:02.720 --> 00:37:05.720
stronger, more compassionate community.

00:37:06.880 --> 00:37:09.880
, in May this year, I proudly joined

00:37:10.160 --> 00:37:13.160
the Cumblo Council's volunteer team

00:37:13.440 --> 00:37:16.440
supporting elderly residents in need. It

00:37:16.800 --> 00:37:19.800
is great honor and a source of personal

00:37:20.240 --> 00:37:23.240
joy. Alongside other local

00:37:23.760 --> 00:37:26.760
practitioners, we hold free foreign dafa

00:37:26.880 --> 00:37:29.880
exercise and the meditation classes at

00:37:30.079 --> 00:37:33.079
the open community center. Many have

00:37:33.920 --> 00:37:36.856
found this practice to be calming and

00:37:36.880 --> 00:37:39.880
the full of positive energy benefit both

00:37:41.440 --> 00:37:44.440
physical and the mental well-being. that

00:37:46.720 --> 00:37:49.720
the five gentle exercises are simple and

00:37:50.079 --> 00:37:53.079
easy to learn and we warmly welcome all

00:37:53.359 --> 00:37:56.359
wish to give them a try. Many of us

00:37:56.720 --> 00:37:59.176
settle in Australia to escape

00:37:59.200 --> 00:38:02.200
persecution for our beliefs. Due to the

00:38:03.760 --> 00:38:06.536
continued suppression of foreign da by

00:38:06.560 --> 00:38:09.560
Chinese Communist Party, I have not been

00:38:09.920 --> 00:38:12.920
able to return to China for over 25

00:38:12.960 --> 00:38:15.960
years. I'm unable to freely contact my

00:38:16.480 --> 00:38:19.480
family and one relative was even simmon

00:38:20.160 --> 00:38:23.160
to police station simply for receiving

00:38:24.400 --> 00:38:27.016
information about fallen dafa from my

00:38:27.040 --> 00:38:30.040
mobile phone. My four beloved

00:38:31.280 --> 00:38:33.896
grandparents passed away one after

00:38:33.920 --> 00:38:36.920
another and I was never able to care for

00:38:38.079 --> 00:38:41.079
them or say goodbye. This remains a deep

00:38:42.000 --> 00:38:43.256
sentence.

00:38:43.280 --> 00:38:44.696
Excuse me, ma'am, but we will need an

00:38:44.720 --> 00:38:46.136
extension of time.

00:38:46.160 --> 00:38:47.736
Move. councellor Christo, seconded.

00:38:47.760 --> 00:38:49.656
Council Army Ramy, you've got two more

00:38:49.680 --> 00:38:52.536
minutes. Please continue.

00:38:52.560 --> 00:38:55.560
Thank you. If our if our council chooses

00:38:55.760 --> 00:38:58.760
to support and mo a motion recognize

00:38:59.040 --> 00:39:01.976
Fallen Dava, it would mean so much to

00:39:02.000 --> 00:39:04.456
us. It would not only offer

00:39:04.480 --> 00:39:07.176
encouragement but also affirm our

00:39:07.200 --> 00:39:09.496
dignity,

00:39:09.520 --> 00:39:12.136
strengthen our resolve and help us

00:39:12.160 --> 00:39:15.160
continue to build a p

00:39:15.359 --> 00:39:18.296
to peaceful and

00:39:18.320 --> 00:39:21.016
resilient community.

00:39:21.040 --> 00:39:23.176
On behalf of all foreign dafa

00:39:23.200 --> 00:39:26.200
practitioners in our area, I thank the

00:39:26.240 --> 00:39:28.776
mayor, deputy mayor and all city

00:39:28.800 --> 00:39:31.800
Councellors for your ongoing support and

00:39:32.640 --> 00:39:35.640
understanding. We are truly grateful.

00:39:35.760 --> 00:39:37.335
Thank you very much.

00:39:37.359 --> 00:39:40.359
Thank you, Miss Chen.  could Ms.

00:39:41.440 --> 00:39:44.440
Emmy Fista please come to the lectern?

00:39:44.880 --> 00:39:47.656
Emmy Fista from Ride. Thank you. You've

00:39:47.680 --> 00:39:48.856
got three minutes with a possible

00:39:48.880 --> 00:39:50.696
extension of two. Thank you. Thank you.

00:39:50.720 --> 00:39:51.575
Welcome.

00:39:51.599 --> 00:39:54.136
Thank you. Good evening, Mayor Hammer,

00:39:54.160 --> 00:39:56.856
Deputy Mayor Senna, and all counselors

00:39:56.880 --> 00:39:59.335
in the chambers. Thank you for the

00:39:59.359 --> 00:40:02.359
opportunity to speak today. Fallon Dava,

00:40:02.880 --> 00:40:05.880
also known as Fallong, was originally

00:40:06.000 --> 00:40:09.000
taught in China in May 1992 by Mr. Lee

00:40:10.400 --> 00:40:13.400
Hongju, the founder and teacher of the

00:40:13.680 --> 00:40:16.680
practice. May the 13 2025

00:40:18.079 --> 00:40:21.079
marks the 26th world fallon dafa day and

00:40:21.680 --> 00:40:24.680
is the 33 anniversaries.

00:40:25.119 --> 00:40:28.119
Falong is a mind body practice. It is in

00:40:30.240 --> 00:40:33.240
over 100 countries with teachings

00:40:33.599 --> 00:40:36.599
translated o into over 50 over 50

00:40:38.000 --> 00:40:39.575
languages.

00:40:39.599 --> 00:40:42.536
Is taught free of charge and open to

00:40:42.560 --> 00:40:45.560
all. The practice was praised by the

00:40:46.160 --> 00:40:49.160
Chinese authorities for the contribution

00:40:49.359 --> 00:40:51.815
to the social harmony

00:40:51.839 --> 00:40:54.296
and health benefits has saved the

00:40:54.320 --> 00:40:56.776
government a huge money in the

00:40:56.800 --> 00:40:58.536
healthcare.

00:40:58.560 --> 00:41:00.936
By 1998

00:41:00.960 --> 00:41:03.960
about one in every 13 Chinese people has

00:41:06.160 --> 00:41:09.160
take up the practice in China.

00:41:10.400 --> 00:41:13.176
His teachings are guided by the

00:41:13.200 --> 00:41:16.055
universal principles of truth,

00:41:16.079 --> 00:41:19.079
compassion and forbearance with four

00:41:19.599 --> 00:41:22.599
sets of gentle exercises and meditation

00:41:23.599 --> 00:41:26.599
which brings the mind and body to

00:41:27.520 --> 00:41:29.896
balance.

00:41:29.920 --> 00:41:32.920
However, in 1999,

00:41:33.520 --> 00:41:35.656
the Chinese

00:41:35.680 --> 00:41:38.680
regime alarmed by the popularity of the

00:41:39.440 --> 00:41:42.440
practice banned the practice overnight.

00:41:44.079 --> 00:41:46.856
The teachings of the spirituality and

00:41:46.880 --> 00:41:49.880
morals contrast with the communist

00:41:50.560 --> 00:41:53.560
ideology of atheism.

00:41:53.760 --> 00:41:56.376
The falling gong books were banned and

00:41:56.400 --> 00:41:59.400
burned and using major state-run media

00:42:01.359 --> 00:42:04.359
demonizes and attacks the practice which

00:42:05.760 --> 00:42:08.760
continue to to today

00:42:09.040 --> 00:42:11.496
26 years later.

00:42:11.520 --> 00:42:14.520
To this day, the Chinese regime denies

00:42:16.960 --> 00:42:19.656
the inhuman persecution

00:42:19.680 --> 00:42:22.216
and the force organ harvesting of

00:42:22.240 --> 00:42:25.240
fallong practitioners in mainland China.

00:42:27.599 --> 00:42:30.599
Your support will help recognize the

00:42:31.359 --> 00:42:34.359
world needs truthfulness, compassion,

00:42:35.839 --> 00:42:37.736
forbearance

00:42:37.760 --> 00:42:40.760
and send a strong message of solidarity

00:42:41.599 --> 00:42:44.536
to those suffering at the hands of the

00:42:44.560 --> 00:42:47.095
Chinese regime.

00:42:47.119 --> 00:42:50.119
We hope compliment

00:42:50.400 --> 00:42:52.696
council

00:42:52.720 --> 00:42:55.720
could join with the many cities around

00:42:56.720 --> 00:42:57.736
the world.

00:42:57.760 --> 00:42:59.335
Senator Tom moved. councellor Christo

00:42:59.359 --> 00:43:00.936
second councellor Hughes please continue

00:43:00.960 --> 00:43:02.216
ma'am you've got another two minutes.

00:43:02.240 --> 00:43:05.240
Thank you to recognize May the 13 as

00:43:05.760 --> 00:43:08.760
well follow Dafa Day in keeping with the

00:43:09.200 --> 00:43:12.200
Australian values of freedom of speech,

00:43:13.680 --> 00:43:16.216
freedom of belief

00:43:16.240 --> 00:43:19.240
and the dignity of human life.

00:43:19.760 --> 00:43:22.616
on behalf of all fallong practitioners

00:43:22.640 --> 00:43:25.640
here in the chambers

00:43:25.839 --> 00:43:28.839
and al and around Sydney

00:43:29.280 --> 00:43:32.280
in Cumberland as well. We are humbled

00:43:32.800 --> 00:43:35.736
and thank you the mayor, the deputy

00:43:35.760 --> 00:43:38.760
mayor and all the city chancellors here

00:43:39.440 --> 00:43:42.440
in this chambers for your support and

00:43:42.480 --> 00:43:44.055
consideration.

00:43:44.079 --> 00:43:46.856
We are very grateful. Thank you.

00:43:46.880 --> 00:43:49.656
Thank you Miss Fister. Could Amanda

00:43:49.680 --> 00:43:52.216
Bailey please come to elect her? 

00:43:52.240 --> 00:43:55.240
Amanda will be speaking on  the 

00:43:55.440 --> 00:43:58.440
recision to alter  AR07251.

00:44:00.640 --> 00:44:02.856
 you've got  3 minutes with a

00:44:02.880 --> 00:44:04.136
possible extension of two.

00:44:04.160 --> 00:44:07.160
Sure. Um thank you mayor and counselors

00:44:07.760 --> 00:44:09.416
um for the opportunity to address the

00:44:09.440 --> 00:44:11.016
reasonzoning of 31 Cambridge Street

00:44:11.040 --> 00:44:13.656
Lick. Um this is my late parents um

00:44:13.680 --> 00:44:16.376
property. Um, our family has resided in

00:44:16.400 --> 00:44:19.400
the Cumberland LGA for over 50 years. My

00:44:19.839 --> 00:44:21.976
parents first settled here, um, moving

00:44:22.000 --> 00:44:25.000
from Scotland in 1972.

00:44:25.040 --> 00:44:27.176
They resided in Burella for the first

00:44:27.200 --> 00:44:29.575
few years and then purchased their first

00:44:29.599 --> 00:44:31.815
and only property at 31 Cambridge

00:44:31.839 --> 00:44:33.815
Street, Licken.

00:44:33.839 --> 00:44:36.696
In at the time of that purchase, the

00:44:36.720 --> 00:44:39.416
property was zoned residential. However,

00:44:39.440 --> 00:44:41.335
in 2009,

00:44:41.359 --> 00:44:44.359
Orbin, the then Orbin Council initiated

00:44:44.480 --> 00:44:46.776
a reszoning process under the draft

00:44:46.800 --> 00:44:49.800
Orbin LEP 2009, reclassifying the

00:44:50.160 --> 00:44:53.160
property as RE1 public recreation open

00:44:53.839 --> 00:44:56.839
space. The reasoning was done without

00:44:57.119 --> 00:45:00.119
compensation and unfortunately both our

00:45:00.160 --> 00:45:01.976
parents, both mine and my sister's

00:45:02.000 --> 00:45:05.000
parents passed earlier this year.

00:45:05.200 --> 00:45:07.256
My sister Paula and I were preparing to

00:45:07.280 --> 00:45:09.176
sell the property

00:45:09.200 --> 00:45:12.136
only to discover after speaking with two

00:45:12.160 --> 00:45:14.856
local real estate agents that the RE1

00:45:14.880 --> 00:45:17.575
zoning severely restricts its

00:45:17.599 --> 00:45:19.896
marketability and significantly and

00:45:19.920 --> 00:45:22.920
significantly reduces its value. Both

00:45:23.119 --> 00:45:26.119
real estate agents um mentioned that it

00:45:26.400 --> 00:45:28.856
could in be in excess of half a million

00:45:28.880 --> 00:45:31.176
dollars and that's only according to

00:45:31.200 --> 00:45:33.976
current estimates. It could be more. I

00:45:34.000 --> 00:45:35.976
also spoke with an expert town planner

00:45:36.000 --> 00:45:37.896
from town planning Sydney who deals

00:45:37.920 --> 00:45:40.536
directly with the Cumberland LGA and he

00:45:40.560 --> 00:45:42.936
mentioned that no residential premises

00:45:42.960 --> 00:45:45.815
or properties should be on land zoned

00:45:45.839 --> 00:45:47.335
RE1.

00:45:47.359 --> 00:45:49.095
The only way this could have possibly

00:45:49.119 --> 00:45:51.176
happened is if the council then

00:45:51.200 --> 00:45:53.896
purchased the land back in 2009. And we

00:45:53.920 --> 00:45:55.575
know that that definitely didn't happen

00:45:55.599 --> 00:45:57.656
because we still have the original day

00:45:57.680 --> 00:45:59.896
deed of sale and we have no other sale

00:45:59.920 --> 00:46:02.616
contract.

00:46:02.640 --> 00:46:05.016
We're also unable to understand why

00:46:05.040 --> 00:46:07.656
within a threeb block radius of that ha

00:46:07.680 --> 00:46:09.575
of our house, every other property

00:46:09.599 --> 00:46:12.599
remains residential except ours. The

00:46:13.200 --> 00:46:15.815
current zoning is inconsistent and frank

00:46:15.839 --> 00:46:18.616
and frankly inequitable. The financial

00:46:18.640 --> 00:46:21.640
impact on our family is substantial.

00:46:21.680 --> 00:46:24.376
But beyond that, the RE1 zoning serves

00:46:24.400 --> 00:46:27.400
no clear public purpose, particularly as

00:46:28.160 --> 00:46:30.616
the land has never been used or

00:46:30.640 --> 00:46:33.095
maintained as a public space in the

00:46:33.119 --> 00:46:35.095
entire time that we have lived there,

00:46:35.119 --> 00:46:37.976
which is almost 50 years.

00:46:38.000 --> 00:46:40.776
We ask if the council intends to re

00:46:40.800 --> 00:46:43.800
retain the RE1 zoning. We're asking what

00:46:43.839 --> 00:46:46.839
is the intended use of this land and is

00:46:47.359 --> 00:46:49.176
the council prepared to make a fair

00:46:49.200 --> 00:46:52.200
market value offer to us. The reasoning

00:46:53.599 --> 00:46:55.496
Oh, sorry.

00:46:55.520 --> 00:46:57.656
Alternatively,

00:46:57.680 --> 00:46:59.176
reszoning the property back to

00:46:59.200 --> 00:47:01.976
residential would allow potential future

00:47:02.000 --> 00:47:04.536
development. Could be town houses, could

00:47:04.560 --> 00:47:06.536
be duplexes.

00:47:06.560 --> 00:47:08.216
Extension of time. Sorry, ma'am. I think

00:47:08.240 --> 00:47:11.240
an extension of town.   council of

00:47:11.680 --> 00:47:12.936
 councellor Christou, you've got a

00:47:12.960 --> 00:47:14.055
further two minutes. Ma'am, please

00:47:14.079 --> 00:47:14.856
continue.

00:47:14.880 --> 00:47:17.095
Um this would contribute to addressing

00:47:17.119 --> 00:47:19.176
the New South Wales housing shortage,

00:47:19.200 --> 00:47:21.575
which we all know is dire at the moment.

00:47:21.599 --> 00:47:23.176
This outcome aligns with council's

00:47:23.200 --> 00:47:25.095
broaders broader objectives around

00:47:25.119 --> 00:47:27.095
housing supply and sustainable

00:47:27.119 --> 00:47:29.815
development. Obviously, depending on DA

00:47:29.839 --> 00:47:32.055
approval, we respectfully request the

00:47:32.079 --> 00:47:33.736
council reconsider the zoning and

00:47:33.760 --> 00:47:35.976
reclassify the property as residential.

00:47:36.000 --> 00:47:37.656
This would not only restore the fair

00:47:37.680 --> 00:47:39.815
value of the land but also enable its

00:47:39.839 --> 00:47:42.055
optimal use for the community. Thank you

00:47:42.079 --> 00:47:44.616
for your time and consideration.

00:47:44.640 --> 00:47:46.856
Thank you Miss Bailey. Um and that

00:47:46.880 --> 00:47:49.880
concludes public forum Councellors. In

00:47:49.920 --> 00:47:52.536
accordance with clause 8.2 two  of the

00:47:52.560 --> 00:47:54.376
code practice. I propose to alter the

00:47:54.400 --> 00:47:56.616
business the order of business to bring

00:47:56.640 --> 00:47:59.095
forward  those items and that being

00:47:59.119 --> 00:48:02.119
item CO 7251

00:48:02.400 --> 00:48:05.400
155 AR025-1

00:48:07.839 --> 00:48:10.536
um  to be dealt with at this point

00:48:10.560 --> 00:48:13.016
given we do have a packed gallery

00:48:13.040 --> 00:48:14.376
tonight. Welcome to each and every

00:48:14.400 --> 00:48:16.456
single one of you. Can I have a mover

00:48:16.480 --> 00:48:19.480
and a seconder?  moved to councellor
00:48:19.599 --> 00:48:22.295
Sarkis, seconded councellor Alf. All

00:48:22.319 --> 00:48:24.456
those in favor say I.

00:48:24.480 --> 00:48:26.616
Anybody against? And I declare that

00:48:26.640 --> 00:48:29.640
carried.  we'll now move to um notice

00:48:30.319 --> 00:48:33.319
of motion 25155 Fallon Duffer Day. 

00:48:34.960 --> 00:48:37.960
and that is councellor Gar. I believe

00:48:39.119 --> 00:48:42.119
you have the floor councellor.

00:48:43.920 --> 00:48:46.920
Um mad madame mayor. Um

00:48:49.119 --> 00:48:52.055
I suppose with a resolution such as this

00:48:52.079 --> 00:48:54.616
one asks the question just where do you

00:48:54.640 --> 00:48:57.640
start? Well, I suppose we start at the

00:48:58.400 --> 00:49:01.400
 last council meeting where council

00:49:01.920 --> 00:49:04.920
moved the resolution to acknowledge

00:49:05.280 --> 00:49:08.280
Hazara cultural day and points 1 2 3 4

00:49:09.920 --> 00:49:12.920
and five in the minutes highlight very

00:49:13.119 --> 00:49:15.256
clearly the decision made by this

00:49:15.280 --> 00:49:17.095
chamber.

00:49:17.119 --> 00:49:18.856
Let me say at this point in time there

00:49:18.880 --> 00:49:21.815
is no difference no difference at all

00:49:21.839 --> 00:49:24.839
between the Hzara community and the

00:49:25.520 --> 00:49:28.520
Fallandafa community.

00:49:28.880 --> 00:49:31.416
The Hzara community

00:49:31.440 --> 00:49:34.055
they support the the betterment of

00:49:34.079 --> 00:49:37.079
lives. They work with all levels of

00:49:37.200 --> 00:49:39.656
government. They are combating

00:49:39.680 --> 00:49:41.575
discrimination.

00:49:41.599 --> 00:49:43.256
They're involved in international

00:49:43.280 --> 00:49:46.280
affairs and they're involved against

00:49:47.040 --> 00:49:50.040
human right abuses and I acknowledge all

00:49:50.079 --> 00:49:53.079
of that and I voted that way at the last

00:49:53.200 --> 00:49:55.815
council meeting. When I look at the

00:49:55.839 --> 00:49:58.295
felona objectives

00:49:58.319 --> 00:50:01.319
they are no different. If I was to read

00:50:01.359 --> 00:50:04.295
them out they would be exactly identical

00:50:04.319 --> 00:50:06.055
to that that I've just read out

00:50:06.079 --> 00:50:08.936
regarding the Hazara community which I

00:50:08.960 --> 00:50:11.960
had pulled off their web page.

00:50:12.400 --> 00:50:15.400
The essence of this issue is that when

00:50:16.400 --> 00:50:18.295
someone is being persecuted for no

00:50:18.319 --> 00:50:20.216
reason

00:50:20.240 --> 00:50:23.095
than their religious beliefs, matters of

00:50:23.119 --> 00:50:25.656
conscience, then I believe freedom

00:50:25.680 --> 00:50:28.535
loving people all over the world have a

00:50:28.559 --> 00:50:31.559
moral obligation to stand up.

00:50:33.200 --> 00:50:36.200
What is at stake here tonight? If more

00:50:36.240 --> 00:50:39.240
people speak out, then the persecution

00:50:40.000 --> 00:50:43.000
will come to an end.

00:50:43.920 --> 00:50:46.920
In June this year, the G7

00:50:47.359 --> 00:50:49.656
conference met in Canada. And through

00:50:49.680 --> 00:50:52.376
that forum, the international campaign

00:50:52.400 --> 00:50:54.616
against atrocities

00:50:54.640 --> 00:50:57.640
gained renew urgency as it coincided

00:50:58.400 --> 00:51:01.400
with the solemn commemoration of the 26

00:51:01.680 --> 00:51:04.456
years of communist China when they

00:51:04.480 --> 00:51:06.376
launched their persecution of

00:51:06.400 --> 00:51:08.216
Fallandafa.

00:51:08.240 --> 00:51:11.240
I commend last month's motion Hzara and

00:51:12.240 --> 00:51:14.616
I ask for your support tonight on

00:51:14.640 --> 00:51:17.640
Falland Dafa because there has been too

00:51:17.760 --> 00:51:20.535
much too much silence from the

00:51:20.559 --> 00:51:22.856
international communities.

00:51:22.880 --> 00:51:25.880
the UIA Muslims who have been

00:51:26.960 --> 00:51:29.016
systematically targeted by the Chinese

00:51:29.040 --> 00:51:31.815
in similar ways to the Felandafa

00:51:31.839 --> 00:51:33.575
community.

00:51:33.599 --> 00:51:36.216
The European Parliament and the American

00:51:36.240 --> 00:51:39.240
119 Congress have both passed

00:51:39.280 --> 00:51:41.976
resolutions opposing China's performance

00:51:42.000 --> 00:51:45.000
on human rights and supporting Falland

00:51:45.119 --> 00:51:48.119
Duffa. As I understand it, the Falland

00:51:48.559 --> 00:51:51.559
Duffa are a wonderful community.

00:51:51.680 --> 00:51:54.680
I've seen them work within this region

00:51:56.079 --> 00:51:59.079
over the last 25 years.

00:51:59.520 --> 00:52:02.216
They are good people. They work with the

00:52:02.240 --> 00:52:05.240
community. They work for the community.

00:52:05.440 --> 00:52:08.440
And at the same time, at the same time,

00:52:08.640 --> 00:52:10.616
they have their own families back home

00:52:10.640 --> 00:52:13.640
being persecuted in such terrible ways.

00:52:14.559 --> 00:52:17.559
ways that involve involve forced forced

00:52:17.599 --> 00:52:20.599
labor, physical torture, or August

00:52:21.119 --> 00:52:23.335
harvesting,

00:52:23.359 --> 00:52:24.856
imprisonment.

00:52:24.880 --> 00:52:27.256
They've been denied political political

00:52:27.280 --> 00:52:30.280
freedoms, denied religious freedoms,

00:52:31.040 --> 00:52:33.896
arbitrary detention. These are all the

00:52:33.920 --> 00:52:36.920
issues that the Feland community like

00:52:37.040 --> 00:52:40.040
the Hzara community are experiencing

00:52:40.319 --> 00:52:42.856
where they're being persecuted.

00:52:42.880 --> 00:52:45.416
and the felander community are made up

00:52:45.440 --> 00:52:48.216
of many many millions of people across

00:52:48.240 --> 00:52:51.240
the world and I'm satisfied that within

00:52:51.839 --> 00:52:54.839
our city we have many many people that

00:52:55.040 --> 00:52:56.616
have made up from the fanduffer

00:52:56.640 --> 00:52:59.640
community as well they are as the

00:52:59.839 --> 00:53:02.376
speakers earlier highlighted they

00:53:02.400 --> 00:53:05.400
promote truth compassion and forbearance

00:53:06.079 --> 00:53:09.079
they are a community that that their

00:53:09.520 --> 00:53:12.520
traditions come from  an ancient

00:53:13.440 --> 00:53:16.440
 ancient customs that very much

00:53:16.559 --> 00:53:19.559
revolve around Buddhist and Teaoist

00:53:20.559 --> 00:53:23.496
tradition. Um I'm very pleased to be

00:53:23.520 --> 00:53:26.295
able to represent the people of the

00:53:26.319 --> 00:53:29.095
Falland community um who work so

00:53:29.119 --> 00:53:31.016
tirelessly in our community of

00:53:31.040 --> 00:53:34.040
Cumberland. Um, what we ask tonight is

00:53:34.240 --> 00:53:35.736
that the work they put into the

00:53:35.760 --> 00:53:38.760
community to promote the the the the

00:53:39.040 --> 00:53:40.295
things that are happening to their

00:53:40.319 --> 00:53:41.976
families back home

00:53:42.000 --> 00:53:44.535
that we support we support their day,

00:53:44.559 --> 00:53:46.055
their cultural day.

00:53:46.079 --> 00:53:49.079
Thank you, councellor. councellor Hughes.

00:53:49.359 --> 00:53:52.359
Thank you, Madame Mayor.

00:53:52.720 --> 00:53:55.720
Um, our council area is the most highly

00:53:57.040 --> 00:54:00.040
culturally diverse in in one of a few in

00:54:00.400 --> 00:54:02.535
this area. It's probably the highest. It

00:54:02.559 --> 00:54:04.136
is very pleasing that we have got the

00:54:04.160 --> 00:54:06.055
Fall & Duffer practitioners within

00:54:06.079 --> 00:54:09.079
Cumberland and particularly given that

00:54:09.359 --> 00:54:12.359
their ongoing demonstration of and

00:54:12.800 --> 00:54:15.800
living by their base principles of and

00:54:16.480 --> 00:54:18.936
as it's been spoken of the truthfulness,

00:54:18.960 --> 00:54:21.176
compassion and forbearance which is so

00:54:21.200 --> 00:54:24.200
meaningful and the founding virtues of

00:54:24.720 --> 00:54:27.335
this moment of their movement.

00:54:27.359 --> 00:54:30.359
They have  meditation  events to

00:54:30.960 --> 00:54:33.960
assist and this helps to um conform and

00:54:34.160 --> 00:54:36.616
to show those organizations to display

00:54:36.640 --> 00:54:38.856
their practices and their virtues as

00:54:38.880 --> 00:54:41.335
well as their um human rights and

00:54:41.359 --> 00:54:44.359
freedom of faith to be able to assist.

00:54:44.480 --> 00:54:45.976
The principles promote the

00:54:46.000 --> 00:54:47.896
self-improvement of a person's

00:54:47.920 --> 00:54:50.696
well-being, their physical, mental,

00:54:50.720 --> 00:54:53.656
emotional, and spiritual aspects.

00:54:53.680 --> 00:54:55.575
dedication to their faith as well as

00:54:55.599 --> 00:54:58.295
their contributions to the community by

00:54:58.319 --> 00:55:01.319
sharing the practice and the beliefs is

00:55:01.760 --> 00:55:04.760
valuable so very much so

00:55:05.839 --> 00:55:08.776
to be able to include this the fall &

00:55:08.800 --> 00:55:11.016
duffer day within Cumberland Council to

00:55:11.040 --> 00:55:12.856
have this approved it's very much needed

00:55:12.880 --> 00:55:15.256
given the circumstances that occur in

00:55:15.280 --> 00:55:17.416
their base country this has such been an

00:55:17.440 --> 00:55:20.440
ongoing issue of persecution and the

00:55:20.880 --> 00:55:23.880
associated organ harvesting of people of

00:55:24.720 --> 00:55:27.176
those who are members of the Falland or

00:55:27.200 --> 00:55:30.200
family thereof which is just so

00:55:30.480 --> 00:55:33.480
heartbreaking absolutely heartbreaking.

00:55:34.000 --> 00:55:36.456
Their intention of their group of course

00:55:36.480 --> 00:55:39.480
is their base principles and and yet to

00:55:39.599 --> 00:55:41.736
then have this persecution elsewhere is

00:55:41.760 --> 00:55:43.736
just extraordinary.

00:55:43.760 --> 00:55:46.295
Recognizing and highlighting this um

00:55:46.319 --> 00:55:49.319
being the the third the 13th of May is

00:55:50.079 --> 00:55:53.079
is very important. It is critical that

00:55:53.520 --> 00:55:56.376
Fall & Dava is is highlighted in

00:55:56.400 --> 00:55:57.736
Cumberland and given our

00:55:57.760 --> 00:56:00.696
multiculturalism, but also to get

00:56:00.720 --> 00:56:03.720
information out to the wider community.

00:56:03.920 --> 00:56:05.976
That is the part that is so incredibly

00:56:06.000 --> 00:56:08.456
important because a number of people do

00:56:08.480 --> 00:56:10.775
not know about what those circumstances

00:56:10.799 --> 00:56:13.799
are. So, we've got the group here in our

00:56:14.000 --> 00:56:16.535
area and this way we would be supporting

00:56:16.559 --> 00:56:19.559
them as we do others. And similarly as

00:56:20.160 --> 00:56:22.616
councellor Gar had just said, we made

00:56:22.640 --> 00:56:24.936
sure that we had had exact wording of

00:56:24.960 --> 00:56:27.960
the Azara cultural day, culture day um

00:56:29.040 --> 00:56:31.656
of what was put forward last last

00:56:31.680 --> 00:56:34.295
meeting to cover sections 1, two, three

00:56:34.319 --> 00:56:37.256
and four of that so that we had equality

00:56:37.280 --> 00:56:40.055
in that respect. So I certainly am

00:56:40.079 --> 00:56:43.079
hoping that we do get coverage for this

00:56:43.119 --> 00:56:46.119
group for fall and duffer. It is very

00:56:46.319 --> 00:56:48.535
required. Thank you. Thank you,

00:56:48.559 --> 00:56:51.559
councellor. I've got councellor Yang.

00:56:54.240 --> 00:56:56.936
Okay. Thank you, mayor. I support

00:56:56.960 --> 00:56:59.960
actually tap.

00:57:00.079 --> 00:57:03.079
It is surely that oppose communist our

00:57:05.440 --> 00:57:08.440
societ society society is democratic.

00:57:11.119 --> 00:57:13.176
Palun tapa

00:57:13.200 --> 00:57:16.200
firmary believed the moral principle of

00:57:17.520 --> 00:57:20.216
the truthful

00:57:20.240 --> 00:57:23.240
compassion and the torance

00:57:23.680 --> 00:57:25.496
are inclusive

00:57:25.520 --> 00:57:28.520
and universal value

00:57:29.119 --> 00:57:32.119
that benefit any individual institution

00:57:32.720 --> 00:57:35.720
and the environment around us.

00:57:37.200 --> 00:57:40.200
So this system practice constitute our

00:57:42.960 --> 00:57:45.960
universe Buddhist and the dioist

00:57:47.680 --> 00:57:50.680
that's why I agree that this one I want

00:57:51.760 --> 00:57:54.760
to support the for pardon that thank you

00:57:56.640 --> 00:57:59.640
thank you councellor councellor Christou

00:58:00.720 --> 00:58:03.720
thank you um I'd like to  thank

00:58:04.160 --> 00:58:06.775
everybody and welcome all the

00:58:06.799 --> 00:58:08.535
peopleitioners

00:58:08.559 --> 00:58:09.976
that have joined us tonight in the

00:58:10.000 --> 00:58:12.136
chamber and filled up the chamber. It

00:58:12.160 --> 00:58:14.535
fills my heart to see um such good

00:58:14.559 --> 00:58:17.095
people of peace, tranquility and good

00:58:17.119 --> 00:58:20.119
health and  definitely worthwhile 

00:58:20.720 --> 00:58:23.016
make worthwhile contributions not only

00:58:23.040 --> 00:58:25.016
to the Cumberland community but to the

00:58:25.040 --> 00:58:27.976
greater community um across Australia.

00:58:28.000 --> 00:58:29.656
I'm going to speak a little bit about 

00:58:29.680 --> 00:58:32.456
the persecution the fellow gong 

00:58:32.480 --> 00:58:35.480
people have been suffering since 1999

00:58:36.240 --> 00:58:39.176
under the  rogue communist regime of

00:58:39.200 --> 00:58:41.736
the  Chinese government. These people

00:58:41.760 --> 00:58:44.295
have been wrongly persecuted, wrongly

00:58:44.319 --> 00:58:47.319
labeled as a an evil cult and actions

00:58:48.240 --> 00:58:50.535
have been taken to eliminate their

00:58:50.559 --> 00:58:53.016
peaceful practice and their beliefs. And

00:58:53.040 --> 00:58:55.176
these actions have included state

00:58:55.200 --> 00:58:57.335
propaganda campaigns, wrongful

00:58:57.359 --> 00:59:00.359
detention, extra long judicial sentences

00:59:00.559 --> 00:59:02.775
being handed out to fandafa

00:59:02.799 --> 00:59:05.799
practitioners and they have also been

00:59:05.839 --> 00:59:08.839
victims of organ harvesting, torture and

00:59:09.280 --> 00:59:11.896
abusive psychiatric measures. I think

00:59:11.920 --> 00:59:14.920
that says it all. um you know only last

00:59:15.040 --> 00:59:17.976
month in this chamber when um members of

00:59:18.000 --> 00:59:19.736
the Labour Party brought forward a

00:59:19.760 --> 00:59:21.815
similar motion to support the persecuted

00:59:21.839 --> 00:59:24.616
Hazara community, I was quick to 

00:59:24.640 --> 00:59:27.016
throw my support with that and not play

00:59:27.040 --> 00:59:29.176
politics regardless of who brings it up.

00:59:29.200 --> 00:59:32.055
And I hope I hope tonight that the

00:59:32.079 --> 00:59:34.055
chamber can unanimously support this

00:59:34.079 --> 00:59:37.016
motion because we have a long history in

00:59:37.040 --> 00:59:40.040
Cumberland initiated from myself um

00:59:40.720 --> 00:59:42.856
where we support  where we have

00:59:42.880 --> 00:59:45.880
supported Ramadan events, Luna New Year,

00:59:46.480 --> 00:59:49.480
 Diwali events. We celebrate obviously

00:59:50.319 --> 00:59:52.775
Christmas and Easter. And this will be

00:59:52.799 --> 00:59:55.416
another event that we can add to pay

00:59:55.440 --> 00:59:57.815
respects to a community that contributes

00:59:57.839 --> 01:00:00.616
so worthwhile to Cumberland. So I really

01:00:00.640 --> 01:00:02.775
hope my colleagues across the chamber

01:00:02.799 --> 01:00:04.535
can support this and not play politics

01:00:04.559 --> 01:00:06.456
tonight. Thank you.

01:00:06.480 --> 01:00:09.480
Thank you. I've got councellor Sakus.

01:00:10.400 --> 01:00:12.616
councellor
01:00:12.640 --> 01:00:15.640
I appreciate the laugh. Madame May

01:00:16.880 --> 01:00:19.880
got a laugh. Mor Councellors. Um many

01:00:20.400 --> 01:00:23.400
know that I spent about 5 years in China

01:00:23.440 --> 01:00:26.136
um in the early 2000s where I was

01:00:26.160 --> 01:00:29.160
working and  I can say that  at

01:00:30.319 --> 01:00:33.319
times it was um disturbing to witness

01:00:34.079 --> 01:00:36.696
firsthand the rounding up of people who

01:00:36.720 --> 01:00:39.720
practice the fandom duffer. It's um

01:00:41.040 --> 01:00:42.616
I got a phone call earlier this week

01:00:42.640 --> 01:00:45.640
asking if I would be supporting a motion

01:00:45.680 --> 01:00:47.496
being put forward by councellor Gar

01:00:47.520 --> 01:00:49.176
because councellor Gar was moving it and

01:00:49.200 --> 01:00:50.936
I said regardless of who moves a motion

01:00:50.960 --> 01:00:53.896
if it's worthy of support I support it.

01:00:53.920 --> 01:00:56.535
Um and if it's councellor Gar or whether

01:00:56.559 --> 01:00:58.535
it's councellor Caperni or councellor any

01:00:58.559 --> 01:01:00.856
councellor it makes no difference. If a

01:01:00.880 --> 01:01:03.095
if a motion is worthy of support then it

01:01:03.119 --> 01:01:05.335
will get the support and this motion is

01:01:05.359 --> 01:01:08.359
worthy of support. Um I feel for the

01:01:09.359 --> 01:01:12.359
Fandafa people.  I've seen firsthand

01:01:13.680 --> 01:01:16.055
 their persecution they're rounding up

01:01:16.079 --> 01:01:19.079
and taking  in Guanghou and China 

01:01:20.000 --> 01:01:23.000
in the early 2000s. So, um it's great to

01:01:24.799 --> 01:01:26.376
see that this type of motion has been

01:01:26.400 --> 01:01:28.696
brought to the floor and yes, I will be

01:01:28.720 --> 01:01:31.720
supporting this and um I extend my heart

01:01:32.559 --> 01:01:35.559
out to those who have lost anybody from

01:01:35.920 --> 01:01:37.976
the community  under the extreme

01:01:38.000 --> 01:01:40.696
circumstances in China. It's a shame. It

01:01:40.720 --> 01:01:43.176
is a beautiful country. The people are a

01:01:43.200 --> 01:01:45.656
beautiful people but the 

01:01:45.680 --> 01:01:47.176
circumstances to which you've been

01:01:47.200 --> 01:01:49.256
subjected as practitioners of the

01:01:49.280 --> 01:01:52.216
pandafa um my heart goes out to you

01:01:52.240 --> 01:01:54.136
there.

01:01:54.160 --> 01:01:56.856
Thank you councel councel.

01:01:56.880 --> 01:01:59.880
Thank you. Um I believe that this motion

01:02:00.240 --> 01:02:03.095
is u about more than just a date for

01:02:03.119 --> 01:02:05.496
celebration.

01:02:05.520 --> 01:02:08.136
It's about acknowledging the resilience

01:02:08.160 --> 01:02:10.136
and dignity of a community that has

01:02:10.160 --> 01:02:12.856
suffered deeply

01:02:12.880 --> 01:02:15.880
and  it yet continues to respond

01:02:16.480 --> 01:02:19.335
peacefully to the injustice and pain and

01:02:19.359 --> 01:02:21.656
persecution that has been happening for

01:02:21.680 --> 01:02:24.535
decades for them.

01:02:24.559 --> 01:02:27.559
They have endured unimaginable hardship

01:02:28.960 --> 01:02:31.960
in their pursuit of freedom of belief

01:02:33.200 --> 01:02:35.016
and I do believe we should support them

01:02:35.040 --> 01:02:37.416
and they have the right to celebrate and

01:02:37.440 --> 01:02:40.216
to practice freely here in Australia. We

01:02:40.240 --> 01:02:43.240
are a diverse community. I stood for the

01:02:44.799 --> 01:02:46.616
haz.

01:02:46.640 --> 01:02:48.696
I will definitely stand for the

01:02:48.720 --> 01:02:50.216
thanksgiving.

01:02:50.240 --> 01:02:53.240
I'd love that the community celebrate

01:02:53.680 --> 01:02:56.295
and um they have the right definitely to

01:02:56.319 --> 01:02:59.016
practice and celebrate and we should all

01:02:59.040 --> 01:03:02.040
support this motion.

01:03:03.200 --> 01:03:05.496
I do also understand the pain that lots

01:03:05.520 --> 01:03:07.335
of these residents that we have that

01:03:07.359 --> 01:03:09.976
live in Cumberland go through especially

01:03:10.000 --> 01:03:13.000
that I met personally few of them some

01:03:13.200 --> 01:03:16.200
of whom couldn't go back to their home

01:03:16.720 --> 01:03:19.720
for the last 10 20 or 30 years they have

01:03:20.400 --> 01:03:23.400
been separated from their loved ones

01:03:23.520 --> 01:03:25.815
and some of their families have been

01:03:25.839 --> 01:03:27.656
killed

01:03:27.680 --> 01:03:30.680
they are in jail they have been tortured

01:03:31.520 --> 01:03:33.015
and they have been going through

01:03:33.039 --> 01:03:35.736
unimaginable oppression for the last 30

01:03:35.760 --> 01:03:38.760
years. I fully and completely support

01:03:38.799 --> 01:03:41.799
the people of the Fallon Dafa and for

01:03:41.920 --> 01:03:44.456
their right to practice and celebrate.

01:03:44.480 --> 01:03:45.815
Thank you.

01:03:45.839 --> 01:03:48.216
Thank you, councellor. councellor Zaiter.

01:03:48.240 --> 01:03:51.240
Thank you, Madame May. Look,

01:03:52.079 --> 01:03:55.079
over the past six or seven months,

01:03:56.160 --> 01:03:59.160
we've received numerous motions

01:03:59.359 --> 01:04:01.015
requesting the recognition of

01:04:01.039 --> 01:04:04.039
recognition of certain dates such as

01:04:04.079 --> 01:04:07.079
Lebanese National Day, such as Somalia

01:04:07.359 --> 01:04:10.359
week, such as Hizara Day as we had last

01:04:11.440 --> 01:04:13.575
month, and I think we received a couple

01:04:13.599 --> 01:04:16.599
of other motions very similar to this.

01:04:16.799 --> 01:04:18.696
I've voted against every one of them.

01:04:18.720 --> 01:04:20.055
There's the reason why I vote against

01:04:20.079 --> 01:04:21.256
every one of them is not because I'm

01:04:21.280 --> 01:04:23.015
against Lebanese National Day. I'm

01:04:23.039 --> 01:04:25.416
Lebanese. I celebrate Lebanese National

01:04:25.440 --> 01:04:27.656
Day. I was born in Lebanon. But I don't

01:04:27.680 --> 01:04:29.496
need council to do that for me. I'll do

01:04:29.520 --> 01:04:32.216
that within myself. I'll do that every

01:04:32.240 --> 01:04:34.616
I'll do that  on my own or within

01:04:34.640 --> 01:04:36.295
whatever organization I might be

01:04:36.319 --> 01:04:38.936
associated with. The issue we have in

01:04:38.960 --> 01:04:41.416
this council is that we've got over 126

01:04:41.440 --> 01:04:42.856
different nationalities that live in

01:04:42.880 --> 01:04:45.176
this council council. We've got over 41

01:04:45.200 --> 01:04:47.256
different religions that cover this

01:04:47.280 --> 01:04:50.280
council. If every one of these

01:04:50.559 --> 01:04:52.136
nationalities, if every single one of

01:04:52.160 --> 01:04:53.656
these religions decide to come and say,

01:04:53.680 --> 01:04:55.976
"We want you to recognize our religion.

01:04:56.000 --> 01:04:57.896
We want you to recognize our

01:04:57.920 --> 01:04:59.815
nationality." We're going to very

01:04:59.839 --> 01:05:01.736
quickly run out of days. We're going to

01:05:01.760 --> 01:05:04.136
very quickly start paying a hell of a

01:05:04.160 --> 01:05:06.775
lot more money  on things that don't

01:05:06.799 --> 01:05:08.376
really necessarily have anything to do

01:05:08.400 --> 01:05:11.400
with council. As such, we are a local

01:05:11.520 --> 01:05:13.575
government council. I have no problem

01:05:13.599 --> 01:05:16.599
with  you know with the right to

01:05:17.200 --> 01:05:19.736
practice the beliefs of the foreign

01:05:19.760 --> 01:05:22.376
government that all to them they want to

01:05:22.400 --> 01:05:24.216
practice in this country you have the

01:05:24.240 --> 01:05:27.240
right to practice but my issue is this

01:05:28.880 --> 01:05:31.880
council is not about setting political

01:05:32.079 --> 01:05:33.976
precedent in respect to issues like this

01:05:34.000 --> 01:05:37.000
that potentially impact um you know that

01:05:38.000 --> 01:05:39.575
come from overseas and have an issue

01:05:39.599 --> 01:05:41.976
overseas that potentially  need to be

01:05:42.000 --> 01:05:43.256
dealt with overseas. We're not here to

01:05:43.280 --> 01:05:45.256
set international policy in local

01:05:45.280 --> 01:05:47.896
government cumbent council. That's my

01:05:47.920 --> 01:05:49.815
issue. My issue is that we should be

01:05:49.839 --> 01:05:51.976
spending our time and effort and our

01:05:52.000 --> 01:05:55.000
local residents funds on the local

01:05:55.039 --> 01:05:57.815
issues that we have to deal with day in

01:05:57.839 --> 01:06:00.376
day out. And when I hear people from,

01:06:00.400 --> 01:06:01.815
you know, certain councils that say

01:06:01.839 --> 01:06:04.216
don't make this political, they are

01:06:04.240 --> 01:06:05.815
making it political. That's why they're

01:06:05.839 --> 01:06:08.775
bringing the the the motion before us.

01:06:08.799 --> 01:06:11.656
So please, everything about being on

01:06:11.680 --> 01:06:13.656
council, everything about being a

01:06:13.680 --> 01:06:15.815
council is politics.

01:06:15.839 --> 01:06:17.496
You know, it's either you're either for

01:06:17.520 --> 01:06:19.896
or you're against. I've voted against

01:06:19.920 --> 01:06:21.815
the Hzara motion. I've voted against the

01:06:21.839 --> 01:06:24.535
Somali motion. I've voted against the

01:06:24.559 --> 01:06:27.095
the um the U Lebanese National Day

01:06:27.119 --> 01:06:30.055
motion solely because I don't believe it

01:06:30.079 --> 01:06:31.256
has anything to do with local

01:06:31.280 --> 01:06:33.575
government. I would rather sit down here

01:06:33.599 --> 01:06:36.136
and debate making sure that our streets

01:06:36.160 --> 01:06:38.456
are clean, our parks are looked after,

01:06:38.480 --> 01:06:40.856
our garbage is picked up properly, and

01:06:40.880 --> 01:06:42.295
utilize the funds that we collect from

01:06:42.319 --> 01:06:45.319
our residents to achieve those results.

01:06:45.359 --> 01:06:47.656
But at the same time, I am more than

01:06:47.680 --> 01:06:50.376
happy to support um anyone that wants to

01:06:50.400 --> 01:06:52.216
practice their their their religion,

01:06:52.240 --> 01:06:54.376
however they see fit. They can do it in

01:06:54.400 --> 01:06:56.376
their own time. We don't need to as a

01:06:56.400 --> 01:06:59.400
council to  u you know formally

01:07:00.559 --> 01:07:03.559
recognize that. Um so this is not

01:07:04.480 --> 01:07:06.856
against the following fallen gaffer.

01:07:06.880 --> 01:07:09.256
This is simply you know I don't want to

01:07:09.280 --> 01:07:11.736
vote one way la last month in terms of

01:07:11.760 --> 01:07:13.736
the hazar and then vote a different way

01:07:13.760 --> 01:07:15.256
this time around in terms of the fallen

01:07:15.280 --> 01:07:17.015
gaffa because I would be deemed to be a

01:07:17.039 --> 01:07:20.039
hypocrite. So, um, I do I do respect

01:07:21.520 --> 01:07:23.015
where you come from and I do respect

01:07:23.039 --> 01:07:25.015
what you're saying, but at the end of

01:07:25.039 --> 01:07:26.456
the day, I don't believe this this has

01:07:26.480 --> 01:07:28.616
anything to do with local local

01:07:28.640 --> 01:07:31.256
government core business and um, I'll be

01:07:31.280 --> 01:07:32.775
voting against this particular motion.

01:07:32.799 --> 01:07:33.256
Thank you.

01:07:33.280 --> 01:07:34.136
Thank you. There are no further

01:07:34.160 --> 01:07:37.160
speakers. councellor Gar of reply.

01:07:41.680 --> 01:07:44.680
May I firstly would like to thank 

01:07:46.160 --> 01:07:47.976
Council Zaiter for speaking because I'd

01:07:48.000 --> 01:07:51.000
have nothing to reply to  unless he

01:07:51.039 --> 01:07:54.039
spoke. So I appreciate that. But I also

01:07:54.480 --> 01:07:57.176
appreciate  councellor Yang in his

01:07:57.200 --> 01:08:00.200
support on this particular motion. Um,

01:08:02.480 --> 01:08:04.535
you know,

01:08:04.559 --> 01:08:06.696
many many many issues can touch your

01:08:06.720 --> 01:08:09.720
heart, but um when you deal with people

01:08:09.839 --> 01:08:12.696
in a in a community that know their

01:08:12.720 --> 01:08:14.775
families are suffering the way they are

01:08:14.799 --> 01:08:16.456
and the way they perform in the

01:08:16.480 --> 01:08:19.416
community, working for the community,

01:08:19.440 --> 01:08:22.440
um, one one has to  be feel very

01:08:23.199 --> 01:08:25.255
humbled

01:08:25.279 --> 01:08:27.815
to answer a comment that was made by

01:08:27.839 --> 01:08:30.616
councellor Zaiter that everything before

01:08:30.640 --> 01:08:33.640
council must be politics. Well, we got a

01:08:34.880 --> 01:08:37.175
resolution coming up earlier tonight

01:08:37.199 --> 01:08:39.896
that's all about Easter. All about

01:08:39.920 --> 01:08:42.920
Easter. You know, is Easter become

01:08:43.279 --> 01:08:46.279
politics now? I don't think so. I think

01:08:47.440 --> 01:08:49.815
it's something that we enjoy.

01:08:49.839 --> 01:08:51.735
Does Ramadan, if that was before us,

01:08:51.759 --> 01:08:53.896
does that become politics? No, it

01:08:53.920 --> 01:08:56.456
doesn't. Because it's something that the

01:08:56.480 --> 01:08:58.695
community can enjoy.

01:08:58.719 --> 01:09:01.016
No, I don't take I don't take that

01:09:01.040 --> 01:09:04.040
answer at all. But I do recognize that

01:09:04.640 --> 01:09:07.640
in this city of Cumberland, we have very

01:09:08.719 --> 01:09:11.719
many very many cultures.

01:09:12.159 --> 01:09:13.976
And we're here to represent all of those

01:09:14.000 --> 01:09:16.295
people.

01:09:16.319 --> 01:09:18.456
We're not only here to represent people,

01:09:18.480 --> 01:09:21.480
we're also here to assist people, to

01:09:22.239 --> 01:09:25.175
help people.

01:09:25.199 --> 01:09:27.576
And I think we're helping the felonafa

01:09:27.600 --> 01:09:30.295
community who are not a not a small

01:09:30.319 --> 01:09:32.456
community I might add a massive

01:09:32.480 --> 01:09:34.616
community and I might add a community

01:09:34.640 --> 01:09:36.775
across the world that's made up of

01:09:36.799 --> 01:09:39.735
millions of people

01:09:39.759 --> 01:09:42.295
both in China and the rest of the world

01:09:42.319 --> 01:09:45.016
in Europe and that's why they're getting

01:09:45.040 --> 01:09:47.735
support of people like the American

01:09:47.759 --> 01:09:50.759
Congress of people like the European

01:09:50.960 --> 01:09:52.936
Parliament

01:09:52.960 --> 01:09:55.175
that's why they're getting support while

01:09:55.199 --> 01:09:57.976
they're getting support at the the G7

01:09:58.000 --> 01:10:00.616
where they all supported a a petition

01:10:00.640 --> 01:10:03.096
against the abuses of the Chinese

01:10:03.120 --> 01:10:04.936
government

01:10:04.960 --> 01:10:06.936
and about the Chinese the communist

01:10:06.960 --> 01:10:08.695
Chinese

01:10:08.719 --> 01:10:11.336
who are very smart at what they do.

01:10:11.360 --> 01:10:12.776
They're very smart about what

01:10:12.800 --> 01:10:15.800
organizations are able to infiltrate.

01:10:17.040 --> 01:10:18.695
And I think all of us around this room

01:10:18.719 --> 01:10:21.719
would be very very naive if we don't

01:10:22.400 --> 01:10:25.175
think that the Communist Party in China

01:10:25.199 --> 01:10:28.199
is influ is infiltrating many many

01:10:28.400 --> 01:10:30.536
organizations

01:10:30.560 --> 01:10:32.456
and we know there's politics between

01:10:32.480 --> 01:10:35.016
Australia and China and we know how

01:10:35.040 --> 01:10:37.976
critical issues can be and we all read

01:10:38.000 --> 01:10:40.936
the media on a daily basis which is more

01:10:40.960 --> 01:10:43.960
reason why pressure gets put on people

01:10:44.000 --> 01:10:47.000
like ourselves to perhaps play the

01:10:47.040 --> 01:10:49.256
Australian line that we're not going to

01:10:49.280 --> 01:10:51.256
we're not going to get the the communist

01:10:51.280 --> 01:10:53.256
Chinese offside.

01:10:53.280 --> 01:10:55.576
Well, quite frankly, what's important to

01:10:55.600 --> 01:10:58.600
me, what's important to good people is

01:10:59.360 --> 01:11:01.976
the the community of Felandafa and the

01:11:02.000 --> 01:11:04.776
good and how they make our community so

01:11:04.800 --> 01:11:07.736
much better with the mosaic of culture

01:11:07.760 --> 01:11:10.376
that they help add to our city. And I'm

01:11:10.400 --> 01:11:12.776
very proud I'm very proud of that. And I

01:11:12.800 --> 01:11:14.776
know when I see Councellors making public

01:11:14.800 --> 01:11:17.096
statements and particularly yourself,

01:11:17.120 --> 01:11:18.776
Madame Mayor, that you've made many

01:11:18.800 --> 01:11:21.736
statements about how colorful our our

01:11:21.760 --> 01:11:24.760
community is through its  diversity.

01:11:25.280 --> 01:11:28.280
And I think this reflects that same

01:11:28.800 --> 01:11:31.800
diversity very very much. Um, now when

01:11:32.719 --> 01:11:35.719
we weigh things up, we took the time a

01:11:36.080 --> 01:11:39.080
month ago to have a debate where more

01:11:39.360 --> 01:11:42.296
than one person spoke against a

01:11:42.320 --> 01:11:45.320
resolution where where we supported the

01:11:47.199 --> 01:11:50.199
 Hzara people and we've got a motion

01:11:50.960 --> 01:11:53.960
before us tonight exactly exactly the

01:11:54.560 --> 01:11:57.560
same word for word. two communities that

01:11:58.640 --> 01:12:01.640
are experiencing the same types of abuse

01:12:03.360 --> 01:12:06.360
at the hands of bullies and people who

01:12:06.719 --> 01:12:09.256
don't believe that freedom is something

01:12:09.280 --> 01:12:11.976
that we should fight for.

01:12:12.000 --> 01:12:15.000
The same resolution word for word except

01:12:15.280 --> 01:12:17.655
the only thing it changes is the name of

01:12:17.679 --> 01:12:20.056
the organization. So I ask the

01:12:20.080 --> 01:12:22.616
Councellors tonight to support this

01:12:22.640 --> 01:12:25.640
resolution because it's a very very

01:12:26.000 --> 01:12:28.456
basic one. It actually puts meat on the

01:12:28.480 --> 01:12:31.480
bones when we talk about those words in

01:12:32.480 --> 01:12:35.480
 in our in our city and saying how how

01:12:36.800 --> 01:12:39.655
um inclusive we are. This is a time to

01:12:39.679 --> 01:12:41.175
make a statement.

01:12:41.199 --> 01:12:44.199
Thank you councellor. I will now put the

01:12:44.480 --> 01:12:47.416
Gad Hughes motion. All those in favor

01:12:47.440 --> 01:12:50.440
please raise your hand. councellor
01:12:51.120 --> 01:12:53.416
Yang, councellor Alf, councellor Gared,

01:12:53.440 --> 01:12:55.655
councellor Hughes, councellor Kristo, and

01:12:55.679 --> 01:12:58.536
councellor Sarkis. All those against,

01:12:58.560 --> 01:13:00.856
please raise your hand. , councellor
01:13:00.880 --> 01:13:02.856
Hammed, councellor Kafrouni Saba, councellor
01:13:02.880 --> 01:13:05.880
Ramy, , councellor Yasa, councellor
01:13:06.080 --> 01:13:07.655
Elmore, councellor Saha, councellor
01:13:07.679 --> 01:13:10.679
Coleman, and councellor Selventhivan,

01:13:11.040 --> 01:13:12.856
and councellor Zaiter. I forget Zaiter all

01:13:12.880 --> 01:13:14.616
the time, unfortunately. Sorry, Zaiter.

01:13:14.640 --> 01:13:17.016
, councellor Selventhivan, I I can't see your

01:13:17.040 --> 01:13:18.936
hand. Are you voting against or for this

01:13:18.960 --> 01:13:20.616
motion?

01:13:20.640 --> 01:13:23.640
I'm um um abstaining it.

01:13:24.159 --> 01:13:25.976
You're abstaining, which is an against.

01:13:26.000 --> 01:13:27.655
I declare.

01:13:27.679 --> 01:13:29.655
Okay. I'm going to clarify again.

01:13:29.679 --> 01:13:31.096
councellor Selventhivan, did you say you're

01:13:31.120 --> 01:13:33.175
abstaining from this vote or yes or

01:13:33.199 --> 01:13:34.536
against?

01:13:34.560 --> 01:13:35.496
Abstaining it.

01:13:35.520 --> 01:13:38.520
You're abstaining. Is that right?

01:13:40.000 --> 01:13:42.616
Yes or no? Council Svin, please. It's a

01:13:42.640 --> 01:13:44.456
bit hard to hear you. Are you abstaining

01:13:44.480 --> 01:13:47.480
from this vote? abstaining it.

01:13:49.520 --> 01:13:52.056
councellor Selventhivan,

01:13:52.080 --> 01:13:54.776
councellor Selventhivan, are I just need a yes

01:13:54.800 --> 01:13:57.175
or a no from you. Are you abstaining

01:13:57.199 --> 01:13:58.856
from this vote?

01:13:58.880 --> 01:13:59.655
Yes.

01:13:59.679 --> 01:14:02.679
Thank you. I declare that lost.

01:14:05.920 --> 01:14:08.920
Nine again, nine against and 64.

01:14:09.920 --> 01:14:11.736
Okay. Because an abstension is an

01:14:11.760 --> 01:14:13.655
against. So I declare that loss. I'm now

01:14:13.679 --> 01:14:16.679
moving to um notice a motion well al to

01:14:18.080 --> 01:14:21.080
alter  council resolution  AR0725-1

01:14:31.920 --> 01:14:34.920
councellor Hughes

01:14:39.760 --> 01:14:42.536
this notice a motion was to be able to

01:14:42.560 --> 01:14:45.560
have that um article of um Cambridge

01:14:48.000 --> 01:14:51.000
Street retained as it is and I do

01:14:51.120 --> 01:14:52.695
understand why the person got up and

01:14:52.719 --> 01:14:55.719
spoke. I do understand that. But we do

01:14:55.840 --> 01:14:58.616
not have in our area the amount of open

01:14:58.640 --> 01:15:01.175
space that they certainly do in the

01:15:01.199 --> 01:15:04.199
other areas and primarily of course

01:15:06.640 --> 01:15:09.640
primarily of course in relation to um

01:15:10.960 --> 01:15:13.336
the Grey Stains area as an example. Now

01:15:13.360 --> 01:15:15.736
I am very aware that you back onto 

01:15:15.760 --> 01:15:17.816
Dudley Cresant and it would be ideal to

01:15:17.840 --> 01:15:20.056
be able to have that inclusive therefore

01:15:20.080 --> 01:15:22.856
to make it a wider park area. That is

01:15:22.880 --> 01:15:25.496
what the intention is. It is a very

01:15:25.520 --> 01:15:27.416
small area. We've got a lot of

01:15:27.440 --> 01:15:29.896
development that's happening in general

01:15:29.920 --> 01:15:32.920
terms around there. So the intention was

01:15:33.360 --> 01:15:36.215
in this respect for it to be retained.

01:15:36.239 --> 01:15:37.736
But then council would have the

01:15:37.760 --> 01:15:40.056
requirement to purchase that land

01:15:40.080 --> 01:15:43.080
accordingly and it could be at the value

01:15:43.920 --> 01:15:46.920
of a residential value. It does not have

01:15:47.520 --> 01:15:50.056
to mean it is open space parkland and

01:15:50.080 --> 01:15:52.695
that sort of thing. commentary had been

01:15:52.719 --> 01:15:55.719
previously made that just because the um

01:15:56.320 --> 01:15:59.320
 Dudley Street Park had just recently

01:16:01.600 --> 01:16:04.056
had an upgrade, therefore we don't need

01:16:04.080 --> 01:16:06.135
to be able to have that space. Well,

01:16:06.159 --> 01:16:08.056
when I go past there, which is pretty

01:16:08.080 --> 01:16:10.776
frequently, it's often got quite a few

01:16:10.800 --> 01:16:13.496
pe people on there. And moving further

01:16:13.520 --> 01:16:16.520
down the track, if we are under a

01:16:16.880 --> 01:16:19.096
circumstance that that value is there

01:16:19.120 --> 01:16:21.496
and we have to do that accordingly, it

01:16:21.520 --> 01:16:24.056
would there be for be used to be able to

01:16:24.080 --> 01:16:27.080
widen the scope of what is needed. If we

01:16:27.440 --> 01:16:29.736
ever had to simply wait. I mean, I

01:16:29.760 --> 01:16:32.456
remember last um last year or the year,

01:16:32.480 --> 01:16:34.135
it was certainly during the last term of

01:16:34.159 --> 01:16:36.936
council. There had been a site that

01:16:36.960 --> 01:16:39.960
needed an upgrade, the school area, the

01:16:40.000 --> 01:16:42.296
play area, and I was told, "Oh, no, no,

01:16:42.320 --> 01:16:43.736
there's another place next door that

01:16:43.760 --> 01:16:45.096
we're going to purchase. Just wait till

01:16:45.120 --> 01:16:46.695
then." Well, how long do you how long's

01:16:46.719 --> 01:16:48.456
a piece of string? Do you wait another

01:16:48.480 --> 01:16:50.536
10 years until a site is available or

01:16:50.560 --> 01:16:52.456
whatever the case may be? It just

01:16:52.480 --> 01:16:55.480
happened that Dudley Street, the Dudley

01:16:55.520 --> 01:16:57.976
Reserve, had only recently been

01:16:58.000 --> 01:17:00.376
upgraded. and so forth and that's just

01:17:00.400 --> 01:17:02.536
the timing of circumstances and I really

01:17:02.560 --> 01:17:04.776
do feel for you who came and spoke to

01:17:04.800 --> 01:17:06.616
lose your family members. I do

01:17:06.640 --> 01:17:09.640
understand that completely. So whilst I

01:17:10.080 --> 01:17:12.135
do understand what you are what is being

01:17:12.159 --> 01:17:14.856
requested as far as that mobility and so

01:17:14.880 --> 01:17:17.880
forth of just um reszoning it under its

01:17:18.640 --> 01:17:21.576
current arrangement it still could be

01:17:21.600 --> 01:17:23.256
used

01:17:23.280 --> 01:17:25.496
it still could be purchased as I

01:17:25.520 --> 01:17:28.520
understand it at the level of a um a

01:17:29.120 --> 01:17:31.336
residential area and just um it's I

01:17:31.360 --> 01:17:32.456
didn't have a print out but

01:17:32.480 --> 01:17:35.016
unfortunately areas um in the Greyaines

01:17:35.040 --> 01:17:36.936
area for example they have got lots and

01:17:36.960 --> 01:17:39.960
lots and lots of open space. We do not

01:17:40.719 --> 01:17:43.719
have that in the licom bala area

01:17:45.199 --> 01:17:47.896
particularly and overall and yes

01:17:47.920 --> 01:17:49.736
arguably people will say oh but you can

01:17:49.760 --> 01:17:51.576
walk to a park that's however they've

01:17:51.600 --> 01:17:53.416
got to go across Bourne Street and those

01:17:53.440 --> 01:17:55.896
sorts of circumstances so they are in

01:17:55.920 --> 01:17:58.920
extremely busy areas as it is now you

01:17:59.600 --> 01:18:02.600
see even a bus trying to turn onto

01:18:03.120 --> 01:18:05.336
Vaughn Street and cars stop to let that

01:18:05.360 --> 01:18:07.096
happen. So for people just to be walking

01:18:07.120 --> 01:18:09.576
across a road to be able to go to a

01:18:09.600 --> 01:18:11.816
park, it's pretty crazy. We need to

01:18:11.840 --> 01:18:14.840
widen our scope of space of availability

01:18:16.320 --> 01:18:18.616
in this respect in that area. And it's

01:18:18.640 --> 01:18:21.096
not by any means that I am suggesting to

01:18:21.120 --> 01:18:24.120
downsize at all or it won't that is not

01:18:24.719 --> 01:18:27.719
intended to be the case as far as

01:18:28.080 --> 01:18:29.736
costability in those sorts of

01:18:29.760 --> 01:18:32.760
circumstances. So it is purely purely to

01:18:33.920 --> 01:18:36.215
ensure that we've got openness available

01:18:36.239 --> 01:18:38.695
and we already have a lot of development

01:18:38.719 --> 01:18:41.719
happening in general terms in Bella. So

01:18:43.360 --> 01:18:46.360
people need wider spaces of their parks

01:18:47.120 --> 01:18:49.336
for they because that is their backyard

01:18:49.360 --> 01:18:50.936
like it or not and so you don't want

01:18:50.960 --> 01:18:52.376
your children just sitting at home

01:18:52.400 --> 01:18:54.135
playing on their computer games all the

01:18:54.159 --> 01:18:55.976
time and those sorts of circumstances.

01:18:56.000 --> 01:18:59.000
So it is solely for that reason because

01:18:59.199 --> 01:19:02.056
I would like council to be proactive

01:19:02.080 --> 01:19:04.936
moving forward and yes it has been quite

01:19:04.960 --> 01:19:07.336
a few years as you get gave the date.

01:19:07.360 --> 01:19:08.856
Sadly enough there's others that have

01:19:08.880 --> 01:19:10.856
been considerably considerably longer

01:19:10.880 --> 01:19:13.016
and that's very frustrating because it

01:19:13.040 --> 01:19:14.695
should be proactive at the time

01:19:14.719 --> 01:19:16.215
unfortunately.

01:19:16.239 --> 01:19:18.856
So that is why we have put this forward

01:19:18.880 --> 01:19:21.880
in order to be able to widen our scope

01:19:22.320 --> 01:19:25.320
for the community um in this regards to

01:19:26.000 --> 01:19:29.000
be able to assist and so forth um in in

01:19:29.520 --> 01:19:31.976
that respect but no costwise it should

01:19:32.000 --> 01:19:35.000
be still at what it is valued at in that

01:19:35.360 --> 01:19:37.416
respect as far as being a residential

01:19:37.440 --> 01:19:39.336
site.

01:19:39.360 --> 01:19:41.896
Thank you councellor. Um councellor Gared

01:19:41.920 --> 01:19:44.215
are you seconding this motion?

01:19:44.239 --> 01:19:45.655
Yeah. So, councellor Garage, you've got

01:19:45.679 --> 01:19:48.679
the floor if you'd like to speak now.

01:19:50.480 --> 01:19:53.480
, prior before the clock starts um

01:19:53.600 --> 01:19:56.600
could I ask a question please of the 

01:19:58.239 --> 01:20:01.239
through you um madame mayor to the 

01:20:01.600 --> 01:20:04.600
responsible officer. Um how many how

01:20:05.040 --> 01:20:08.040
many letters has council received

01:20:08.400 --> 01:20:10.296
requesting

01:20:10.320 --> 01:20:13.320
um the purchase of this property?

01:20:16.480 --> 01:20:19.336
I'll refer that to Director Cavllo

01:20:19.360 --> 01:20:22.360
through you madame.

01:20:36.239 --> 01:20:37.976
Yeah, through the mayor council was a

01:20:38.000 --> 01:20:39.655
question. Have we received a request to

01:20:39.679 --> 01:20:42.376
purchase the property?

01:20:42.400 --> 01:20:43.976
Was your question counselor? Have we

01:20:44.000 --> 01:20:45.896
received any requests to purchase the

01:20:45.920 --> 01:20:46.536
property?

01:20:46.560 --> 01:20:47.576
Yes.

01:20:47.600 --> 01:20:49.736
Um through the mayor, no, we've only

01:20:49.760 --> 01:20:52.135
received this request here.

01:20:52.159 --> 01:20:54.376
Okay. So, I take that on board. Thank

01:20:54.400 --> 01:20:57.400
you. Um the second question  would be

01:20:58.159 --> 01:21:01.159
then to the responsible officer.

01:21:01.600 --> 01:21:04.600
How does what evidence does council have

01:21:06.880 --> 01:21:09.880
that homeowners

01:21:09.920 --> 01:21:12.920
have had to live with uncertainty over

01:21:14.239 --> 01:21:17.239
the the future of their home?

01:21:23.199 --> 01:21:25.336
um through the mayor counselor. In terms

01:21:25.360 --> 01:21:27.175
of that, it really comes down to the

01:21:27.199 --> 01:21:29.256
zoning if there's any future intentions

01:21:29.280 --> 01:21:32.056
to build or to um sell the property

01:21:32.080 --> 01:21:34.616
where that issue would come up.

01:21:34.640 --> 01:21:37.640
Well, I I don't  if I may through you,

01:21:37.840 --> 01:21:39.896
Madame Mayor, the report says the

01:21:39.920 --> 01:21:41.736
property has been earmarked for almost

01:21:41.760 --> 01:21:44.760
15 years for open space acquisition. Um

01:21:45.440 --> 01:21:47.655
I'm asking a question

01:21:47.679 --> 01:21:50.679
for acquisition since October 2010.

01:21:51.360 --> 01:21:53.336
During this period, the owners have had

01:21:53.360 --> 01:21:56.360
to live with uncertainty over the future

01:21:57.199 --> 01:22:00.199
of their home. In some instances, have

01:22:00.560 --> 01:22:03.560
been unable to redevelop due to the

01:22:04.480 --> 01:22:07.480
limitation of R1. Have we Where's the

01:22:07.679 --> 01:22:10.135
evidence to such a broad statement like

01:22:10.159 --> 01:22:13.159
that?

01:22:13.760 --> 01:22:16.296
um through the mayor counselor,

01:22:16.320 --> 01:22:18.135
I can't deliberate on what's on a

01:22:18.159 --> 01:22:19.816
confidential report, but what I can say

01:22:19.840 --> 01:22:22.840
in general terms is that having a house

01:22:23.360 --> 01:22:26.296
on the site that's earmarked as RE1

01:22:26.320 --> 01:22:28.456
means that if there's any plans to do

01:22:28.480 --> 01:22:30.135
anything on that site, there are

01:22:30.159 --> 01:22:31.976
limitations based on the zoning that's

01:22:32.000 --> 01:22:33.655
placed on the site.

01:22:33.679 --> 01:22:36.056
Yeah, I can well appreciate that. But

01:22:36.080 --> 01:22:39.080
the report does say it says very

01:22:39.199 --> 01:22:42.199
objectively objectively that the owners

01:22:43.120 --> 01:22:45.576
have had to live with uncertainty. I

01:22:45.600 --> 01:22:47.816
want to know what evidence do we have

01:22:47.840 --> 01:22:49.576
that the owners have had to live with

01:22:49.600 --> 01:22:51.576
with uncertainty if we've had no

01:22:51.600 --> 01:22:52.536
correspondence.

01:22:52.560 --> 01:22:54.615
councellor, I just want to caution you um

01:22:54.639 --> 01:22:56.536
that we may have to go into close

01:22:56.560 --> 01:22:57.816
session if you're going to continue on.

01:22:57.840 --> 01:23:00.536
Sorry. I may have to caution you um that

01:23:00.560 --> 01:23:02.856
we may have to go into close session if

01:23:02.880 --> 01:23:05.880
you're going to continue down this path.

01:23:06.080 --> 01:23:06.936
Well, I don't know.

01:23:06.960 --> 01:23:09.256
It's a confidential paper. It's blue.

01:23:09.280 --> 01:23:10.776
I raised that matter at the last

01:23:10.800 --> 01:23:13.096
meeting. Was this confidential? And you

01:23:13.120 --> 01:23:14.056
said no.

01:23:14.080 --> 01:23:17.016
Okay. So, so that last question I'm

01:23:17.040 --> 01:23:18.615
going to give the director to to answer

01:23:18.639 --> 01:23:20.376
that. Um he may or may not want to

01:23:20.400 --> 01:23:23.256
answer it but

01:23:23.280 --> 01:23:25.736
we'll we'll we'll go

01:23:25.760 --> 01:23:27.576
director Cavllo through through the

01:23:27.600 --> 01:23:30.600
acting general manager.

01:23:31.760 --> 01:23:34.456
Yes. So through the mayor counselor in

01:23:34.480 --> 01:23:36.135
terms of

01:23:36.159 --> 01:23:39.016
uncertainty. The uncertainty comes down

01:23:39.040 --> 01:23:42.040
to two factors. One factor is whether

01:23:42.960 --> 01:23:44.856
the person or the property owner can

01:23:44.880 --> 01:23:46.456
develop the site or sell the side. No

01:23:46.480 --> 01:23:48.936
limitations to that. The other aspect of

01:23:48.960 --> 01:23:51.096
uncertainty is whether council has an

01:23:51.120 --> 01:23:53.976
intention to buy because even if the

01:23:54.000 --> 01:23:56.296
owner has or has not approached council,

01:23:56.320 --> 01:23:57.976
council may at any time choose to

01:23:58.000 --> 01:23:59.816
proceed with a purchase or not proceed

01:23:59.840 --> 01:24:01.736
with a purchase and not having that

01:24:01.760 --> 01:24:03.496
visibility does create uncertainty for

01:24:03.520 --> 01:24:05.496
the property owner.

01:24:05.520 --> 01:24:08.520
It it it does make it 

01:24:08.719 --> 01:24:10.936
it does make it very awkward.  Madame

01:24:10.960 --> 01:24:12.936
Mayor and I'll start my my comments now

01:24:12.960 --> 01:24:13.816
if you don't mind.

01:24:13.840 --> 01:24:15.896
Thank you. Um, having had those answers

01:24:15.920 --> 01:24:18.920
from , our chief town planner, I don't

01:24:19.199 --> 01:24:20.456
think it really answers any of the

01:24:20.480 --> 01:24:23.480
questions at all because because um, in

01:24:24.880 --> 01:24:27.880
the report on page 155,

01:24:27.920 --> 01:24:30.920
it says that

01:24:31.440 --> 01:24:33.655
yes,

01:24:33.679 --> 01:24:35.655
it's in blue. He can't do that. If he

01:24:35.679 --> 01:24:37.976
wants to if he wants to talk about a a

01:24:38.000 --> 01:24:40.695
matter that was that was discussed in

01:24:40.719 --> 01:24:42.456
closed council, we'll have to go out of

01:24:42.480 --> 01:24:43.576
closed council. Can you rule that

01:24:43.600 --> 01:24:44.215
please? May

01:24:44.239 --> 01:24:46.135
I raised these matters last week at the

01:24:46.159 --> 01:24:48.856
last council meeting publicly.

01:24:48.880 --> 01:24:51.880
councellor Gar, I I warned you that I

01:24:52.480 --> 01:24:54.135
think that you were going into territory

01:24:54.159 --> 01:24:54.936
that we you should

01:24:54.960 --> 01:24:56.296
if you would like to go over the tape of

01:24:56.320 --> 01:24:58.215
the last council meeting, you'll know I

01:24:58.239 --> 01:24:59.496
raised these matters publicly.

01:24:59.520 --> 01:25:00.856
Whether you raised them publicly last

01:25:00.880 --> 01:25:02.615
time or not is irrespective to me right

01:25:02.639 --> 01:25:03.576
now in this debate.

01:25:03.600 --> 01:25:04.936
I just want to know what the rules what

01:25:04.960 --> 01:25:06.615
I need you to do last month.

01:25:06.639 --> 01:25:08.776
I cannot divulge I can't what I need you

01:25:08.800 --> 01:25:10.856
to do is not divulge anything that's on

01:25:10.880 --> 01:25:13.096
a blue paper. That is your oblig

01:25:13.120 --> 01:25:15.256
obligation as a counselor. So I'm going

01:25:15.280 --> 01:25:16.695
to ask you again and I'm going to warn

01:25:16.719 --> 01:25:17.016
you

01:25:17.040 --> 01:25:19.736
well as you like. I don't mind it going

01:25:19.760 --> 01:25:21.736
into closed committee. I'm only going by

01:25:21.760 --> 01:25:23.175
your rules last month.

01:25:23.199 --> 01:25:25.736
councellor, I'm happy to go into closed.

01:25:25.760 --> 01:25:26.695
Okay.

01:25:26.719 --> 01:25:28.776
And and I might add

01:25:28.800 --> 01:25:31.416
we are we are then we are then unable we

01:25:31.440 --> 01:25:33.496
are unable to answer the comments made

01:25:33.520 --> 01:25:36.056
by the owners. All right. So when we go

01:25:36.080 --> 01:25:38.376
on the closed med committee behind

01:25:38.400 --> 01:25:40.615
closed doors, we're going to have

01:25:40.639 --> 01:25:42.856
decisions made there that they won't be

01:25:42.880 --> 01:25:45.880
able to see or hear.

01:25:47.600 --> 01:25:48.856
We can do it.

01:25:48.880 --> 01:25:50.615
Do you have anything further counselor?

01:25:50.639 --> 01:25:52.135
When it goes into committee or will

01:25:52.159 --> 01:25:53.896
you want it to go to close session?

01:25:53.920 --> 01:25:55.576
Well, you said you said it has to go on

01:25:55.600 --> 01:25:57.496
the closed committee

01:25:57.520 --> 01:26:00.296
because this is relevant. There's stuff

01:26:00.320 --> 01:26:03.320
here. There's stuff here that is that

01:26:03.679 --> 01:26:06.679
that objects to what the owner said.

01:26:07.280 --> 01:26:08.776
Garrard is reading off a confidential

01:26:08.800 --> 01:26:09.416
paper.

01:26:09.440 --> 01:26:10.695
Thank you. Councel, please.

01:26:10.719 --> 01:26:12.456
So, it has to go in the committee.

01:26:12.480 --> 01:26:14.856
So, so am I am I hearing that you want

01:26:14.880 --> 01:26:16.296
to go into close session in relation to

01:26:16.320 --> 01:26:16.536
this?

01:26:16.560 --> 01:26:17.576
It has to go committee.

01:26:17.600 --> 01:26:19.416
You want to you want to do that?

01:26:19.440 --> 01:26:22.440
Okay. There are other um

01:26:43.760 --> 01:26:45.736
I wonder whether counselors do want to

01:26:45.760 --> 01:26:48.760
go into closed.

01:26:48.880 --> 01:26:50.536
Yeah. Well, you'll get an opportunity.

01:26:50.560 --> 01:26:52.536
You'll get an opportunity to to vote if

01:26:52.560 --> 01:26:55.560
I get a motion and councellor
01:26:55.840 --> 01:26:58.376
I'm just going to say Councellors can

01:26:58.400 --> 01:27:00.215
vote against moving into close which

01:27:00.239 --> 01:27:02.376
will compel you to stop reading off that

01:27:02.400 --> 01:27:05.336
blue paper. So if I have a motion to

01:27:05.360 --> 01:27:07.016
move into closed I will

01:27:07.040 --> 01:27:09.256
you move that we we we go into close.

01:27:09.280 --> 01:27:12.280
Okay.

01:27:16.159 --> 01:27:19.159
Give me a minute to 

01:27:36.400 --> 01:27:38.615
So, Councellors, I now propose that in

01:27:38.639 --> 01:27:39.976
accordance well, we're going to hear the

01:27:40.000 --> 01:27:41.336
motion that in accordance with section

01:27:41.360 --> 01:27:44.360
10A of the Local Government Act of 1993,

01:27:44.400 --> 01:27:46.215
, that we enter into close session.

01:27:46.239 --> 01:27:48.856
Um, and I'm going to put it to a vote.

01:27:48.880 --> 01:27:51.336
Okay. So, all those in favor of going

01:27:51.360 --> 01:27:53.896
into close session on this item, please

01:27:53.920 --> 01:27:56.920
raise your hands.

01:28:00.960 --> 01:28:03.960
Council Yang, councellor Alf, councellor
01:28:04.639 --> 01:28:06.135
Gar,

01:28:06.159 --> 01:28:08.376
councellor Hughes, councellor Kristo,

01:28:08.400 --> 01:28:11.400
councellor Sarkis, and councellor 

01:28:11.760 --> 01:28:14.760
Selventhivan.

01:28:18.080 --> 01:28:19.496
All those against, please raise your

01:28:19.520 --> 01:28:21.336
hand.

01:28:21.360 --> 01:28:23.496
Zaiter, councellor Kafrouni, councellor
01:28:23.520 --> 01:28:26.520
Rammy, councellor Yesa, councellor Elmore,

01:28:27.280 --> 01:28:30.215
councellor Saha, councellor Coleman, and

01:28:30.239 --> 01:28:31.896
councellor
01:28:31.920 --> 01:28:34.920
Hammond.

01:28:39.840 --> 01:28:42.840
Yeah, that's right. Yeah,

01:28:45.679 --> 01:28:48.296
I declare that lost, counselor, and your

01:28:48.320 --> 01:28:49.896
time is ticking. So if you'd like to

01:28:49.920 --> 01:28:52.056
make further resolution,

01:28:52.080 --> 01:28:54.056
yeah,

01:28:54.080 --> 01:28:55.576
if we want to play that, we want to play

01:28:55.600 --> 01:28:58.600
these games. In 2019,

01:28:58.960 --> 01:29:00.695
everybody in this council, everyone in

01:29:00.719 --> 01:29:02.536
that chamber and most in this chamber

01:29:02.560 --> 01:29:05.560
now voted for this document, a strategic

01:29:05.840 --> 01:29:08.056
document that looks at open space

01:29:08.080 --> 01:29:11.080
recreation strategy until 2029.

01:29:12.560 --> 01:29:15.560
It's stated in this document that and in

01:29:15.920 --> 01:29:18.920
the report that I can't mention it says

01:29:19.120 --> 01:29:21.655
that the existing open space per ratio

01:29:21.679 --> 01:29:24.679
of of  pupils is something that

01:29:25.120 --> 01:29:28.120
approaches five 5.4%

01:29:28.400 --> 01:29:31.400
of open space per population.

01:29:32.880 --> 01:29:35.496
When we look to the document that's been

01:29:35.520 --> 01:29:38.376
supported by councellor Elmore and

01:29:38.400 --> 01:29:40.936
councellor Coleman and Saha and yourself,

01:29:40.960 --> 01:29:43.096
Madame Mayor and other Councellors around

01:29:43.120 --> 01:29:45.976
the room, we find that the document in

01:29:46.000 --> 01:29:48.215
2036

01:29:48.239 --> 01:29:49.976
 it tells us the document tells us

01:29:50.000 --> 01:29:52.296
that in 2036

01:29:52.320 --> 01:29:55.320
the amount of open space for that area

01:29:55.520 --> 01:29:58.520
if per hectare if we don't do anything

01:29:59.520 --> 01:30:01.736
if we don't do anything is going to

01:30:01.760 --> 01:30:04.760
drop. Not from 5.4 which is already one

01:30:05.679 --> 01:30:08.376
of the lowest in the city. It'll drop

01:30:08.400 --> 01:30:11.400
down to 3.7%.

01:30:11.520 --> 01:30:13.736
A massive drop.

01:30:13.760 --> 01:30:16.215
Yet yet it's a requirement of this

01:30:16.239 --> 01:30:19.239
strategy to promote open space where we

01:30:19.760 --> 01:30:22.760
know we're going to have population.

01:30:22.800 --> 01:30:24.695
And as one wants to read through this

01:30:24.719 --> 01:30:27.719
document, there is many examples, many

01:30:28.560 --> 01:30:31.416
examples indeed in their recommendations

01:30:31.440 --> 01:30:33.976
that highlight that our open space

01:30:34.000 --> 01:30:36.536
should be looked at in terms of the our

01:30:36.560 --> 01:30:39.560
future and and  our future of course

01:30:41.120 --> 01:30:44.120
is important to our to our children.

01:30:46.000 --> 01:30:49.000
If I was to promote an idea, what would

01:30:49.520 --> 01:30:51.416
be the reaction?

01:30:51.440 --> 01:30:54.440
, Madame Mayor, if a former counselor

01:30:54.719 --> 01:30:57.576
came into this chamber who may have a

01:30:57.600 --> 01:31:00.600
poor reputation in the old Orbin

01:31:01.199 --> 01:31:04.056
council, what would be the reaction if

01:31:04.080 --> 01:31:06.296
that counselor

01:31:06.320 --> 01:31:08.936
decides to come in here and promote a

01:31:08.960 --> 01:31:11.655
situation where a future children's

01:31:11.679 --> 01:31:14.215
playground is going to have its zoning

01:31:14.239 --> 01:31:17.175
changed so that the people who live in

01:31:17.199 --> 01:31:20.199
the house can make a buck out of it, can

01:31:20.239 --> 01:31:22.296
make more

01:31:22.320 --> 01:31:25.175
Now, if a if that was a situation and

01:31:25.199 --> 01:31:27.736
that counselor who may have been in

01:31:27.760 --> 01:31:30.056
jail, what would be the what would be

01:31:30.080 --> 01:31:32.536
the public outcry if that if that

01:31:32.560 --> 01:31:35.560
counselor came in here and said, "I want

01:31:35.600 --> 01:31:37.655
I want these people over here to make a

01:31:37.679 --> 01:31:39.896
buck out of this land." So, we're going

01:31:39.920 --> 01:31:42.536
to take the zoning off the land. We're

01:31:42.560 --> 01:31:44.135
going to take the zoning off. We don't

01:31:44.159 --> 01:31:45.976
want a playground there. We want to be

01:31:46.000 --> 01:31:47.416
able They want to be able to make a

01:31:47.440 --> 01:31:50.056
buck. Forget about our children. So I

01:31:50.080 --> 01:31:52.615
want the zoning changed. Now if that

01:31:52.639 --> 01:31:54.296
counselor

01:31:54.320 --> 01:31:55.736
who might have been in jail at some

01:31:55.760 --> 01:31:58.760
future p some past  occasion decided

01:32:00.000 --> 01:32:02.856
to move that resolution here the whole

01:32:02.880 --> 01:32:05.336
world would break up. It'll be headline

01:32:05.360 --> 01:32:08.360
headlines on every media outlet in the

01:32:08.960 --> 01:32:11.960
country. Yet here we have a counselor a

01:32:12.000 --> 01:32:14.936
council where where we have a document

01:32:14.960 --> 01:32:17.496
here that actually tells you that the

01:32:17.520 --> 01:32:20.520
answer is going to be less open space in

01:32:22.159 --> 01:32:25.159
3.7% against 5.4 now where 5.4 is

01:32:26.639 --> 01:32:28.776
already the lowest in the city. It's

01:32:28.800 --> 01:32:31.800
going to go down to 3.7% per population.

01:32:32.320 --> 01:32:34.936
That just doesn't pass the pub test.

01:32:34.960 --> 01:32:37.960
council can sell this block of land 

01:32:38.560 --> 01:32:41.560
to these people

01:32:43.040 --> 01:32:45.256
even it can we can if they want if they

01:32:45.280 --> 01:32:46.936
wish to see and I might add there's

01:32:46.960 --> 01:32:49.336
contradictions here if there's been no

01:32:49.360 --> 01:32:51.016
request to council in the past to buy

01:32:51.040 --> 01:32:53.016
this land we know that we know that

01:32:53.040 --> 01:32:55.976
because in 2010 they there was no

01:32:56.000 --> 01:32:58.456
objection to the park zoning going on

01:32:58.480 --> 01:33:01.480
the land and the report tells us that

01:33:02.239 --> 01:33:05.175
there was no objection So where's the

01:33:05.199 --> 01:33:07.256
correspondence that supports all of a

01:33:07.280 --> 01:33:09.336
sudden we have to take the zoning off?

01:33:09.360 --> 01:33:11.175
councellor, please nonsense.

01:33:11.199 --> 01:33:13.096
Please wrap up. councellor, thank you.

01:33:13.120 --> 01:33:16.120
councellor Alfessa.

01:33:20.239 --> 01:33:23.239
Yeah, look, , Paul, you make a strong

01:33:23.840 --> 01:33:26.840
case and I don't disagree with the

01:33:27.360 --> 01:33:29.016
document that you've shared with me as

01:33:29.040 --> 01:33:31.655
well, but however,

01:33:31.679 --> 01:33:34.615
it's not a simple case of keeping the

01:33:34.639 --> 01:33:37.336
zoning on the property and then, you

01:33:37.360 --> 01:33:39.256
know, when council's ready, it purchases

01:33:39.280 --> 01:33:41.496
it in the future. My understanding is,

01:33:41.520 --> 01:33:44.520
and maybe  Colin could help with this,

01:33:45.280 --> 01:33:48.056
is if we don't go ahead and purchase it,

01:33:48.080 --> 01:33:51.080
then there's a

01:33:51.360 --> 01:33:54.360
the owners can make a case in court to

01:33:54.880 --> 01:33:57.880
force our hand either to reszone it back

01:33:58.159 --> 01:34:00.456
to residential or to purchase it. And as

01:34:00.480 --> 01:34:02.376
far as I is that that's the case, right,

01:34:02.400 --> 01:34:05.016
Colin? I can ask through the mayor.

01:34:05.040 --> 01:34:08.040
Yeah, disregard that. That's okay. Um so

01:34:08.719 --> 01:34:10.376
there are there's a there's a legal

01:34:10.400 --> 01:34:12.536
mechanism that  that's open to the

01:34:12.560 --> 01:34:14.536
owners that forces the hand of council

01:34:14.560 --> 01:34:16.776
from what I understand

01:34:16.800 --> 01:34:19.336
that particular um the park behind our

01:34:19.360 --> 01:34:21.655
property was redeveloped recently. So

01:34:21.679 --> 01:34:23.655
there's a brand new park on it. Council

01:34:23.679 --> 01:34:26.679
has no plans to purchase that property

01:34:27.280 --> 01:34:29.896
in the immediate future.

01:34:29.920 --> 01:34:32.056
So regardless of what we do, we reszone

01:34:32.080 --> 01:34:34.776
or we don't reszone it. there's no plans

01:34:34.800 --> 01:34:37.736
to purchase it, which opens the door for

01:34:37.760 --> 01:34:40.695
the owners to take council to  court

01:34:40.719 --> 01:34:43.175
and say, "Look,

01:34:43.199 --> 01:34:46.199
 to compel us to to act on it." So, we

01:34:47.199 --> 01:34:49.416
we're back to square one. Council has no

01:34:49.440 --> 01:34:51.016
plans to purchase it. It's gone to

01:34:51.040 --> 01:34:52.456
court. We've got to act on it. What do

01:34:52.480 --> 01:34:54.936
we do? We remove the zoning on the

01:34:54.960 --> 01:34:57.496
property. So, then that

01:34:57.520 --> 01:35:00.520
adds months and months of anguish

01:35:01.120 --> 01:35:02.615
to the owners of the property, which is

01:35:02.639 --> 01:35:04.615
unfair. I think that's that would be

01:35:04.639 --> 01:35:06.135
unjust.

01:35:06.159 --> 01:35:08.056
So although I agree we need green space

01:35:08.080 --> 01:35:11.080
definitely in it's part of my ward or

01:35:11.440 --> 01:35:13.655
close close to my ward. It's in my ward

01:35:13.679 --> 01:35:16.679
actually. Um council is just not in a

01:35:16.960 --> 01:35:18.936
position to act on at this stage which

01:35:18.960 --> 01:35:20.695
is unfortunate.

01:35:20.719 --> 01:35:22.695
Um the property committee made that

01:35:22.719 --> 01:35:25.719
clear. There's no reason to believe 

01:35:26.639 --> 01:35:28.936
they're going to vote otherwise if we do

01:35:28.960 --> 01:35:30.376
resend it. So it's just going to go

01:35:30.400 --> 01:35:33.336
around in circles. So, for that reason,

01:35:33.360 --> 01:35:35.175
and although it's hard and you do make a

01:35:35.199 --> 01:35:37.496
compelling case, um, just for the sake

01:35:37.520 --> 01:35:40.520
of justice for the current owners, um,

01:35:41.440 --> 01:35:43.816
I'm going to vote against your resition

01:35:43.840 --> 01:35:46.840
motion.

01:35:47.199 --> 01:35:49.336
Thank you, councellor. councellor Elmore.

01:35:49.360 --> 01:35:52.360
Thank you, Mayor. Um, I, um, speak

01:35:52.400 --> 01:35:54.615
against the, the recision, and I just

01:35:54.639 --> 01:35:55.976
want to get back to what the decision

01:35:56.000 --> 01:35:59.000
actually says. It says um a request for

01:35:59.360 --> 01:36:01.016
remove the land acquisition reserve of

01:36:01.040 --> 01:36:04.040
31 Cambridge Street lick which is which

01:36:04.080 --> 01:36:06.056
is to be referred back to the property

01:36:06.080 --> 01:36:07.816
committee for further consideration.

01:36:07.840 --> 01:36:09.976
That's the um that's the motion. We're

01:36:10.000 --> 01:36:11.976
not talking about buying or selling or

01:36:12.000 --> 01:36:14.135
whatever else. But um I just want to

01:36:14.159 --> 01:36:16.456
make a few comments. Um I did this sort

01:36:16.480 --> 01:36:18.536
of work for Southern Corporation for

01:36:18.560 --> 01:36:21.496
many many years and um I listened to

01:36:21.520 --> 01:36:24.520
Mrs. Bailey's   public forum and um

01:36:25.280 --> 01:36:26.856
I understand that her parents lived

01:36:26.880 --> 01:36:29.736
there for over 30 years and um

01:36:29.760 --> 01:36:30.376
50 years

01:36:30.400 --> 01:36:32.856
50 years they lived there for over 50 50

01:36:32.880 --> 01:36:35.576
years and um and they probably didn't

01:36:35.600 --> 01:36:37.175
know their their house had been

01:36:37.199 --> 01:36:40.199
reszoneed for a one and  that's only

01:36:41.040 --> 01:36:44.040
when um I understand that um this is

01:36:44.320 --> 01:36:46.536
parents have have passed on now and I

01:36:46.560 --> 01:36:49.560
feel and I feel very sad for that but um

01:36:49.679 --> 01:36:51.816
these these issues don't arise until

01:36:51.840 --> 01:36:54.840
something like this happens. And um

01:36:55.920 --> 01:36:57.736
now that this this land has always been

01:36:57.760 --> 01:36:59.336
public, this has always been privately

01:36:59.360 --> 01:37:02.360
owned. Castle never owned it.

01:37:02.880 --> 01:37:05.736
So the the um the owners of the property

01:37:05.760 --> 01:37:08.536
have got rights and they got the right

01:37:08.560 --> 01:37:10.615
to sell this land or sell this property,

01:37:10.639 --> 01:37:12.456
I should say, house and land if they

01:37:12.480 --> 01:37:14.135
choose.

01:37:14.159 --> 01:37:17.159
From what I can see, um, council at, if

01:37:17.679 --> 01:37:20.679
if council takes this, takes this slide,

01:37:20.719 --> 01:37:23.576
council is, um, putting the current

01:37:23.600 --> 01:37:25.816
owners, the property owners under

01:37:25.840 --> 01:37:28.056
financial disadvantage.

01:37:28.080 --> 01:37:30.135
And quite rightly, if if I was in this

01:37:30.159 --> 01:37:33.159
situation, um, if council did not choose

01:37:33.280 --> 01:37:36.280
to purchase the land and um, if council

01:37:37.119 --> 01:37:39.256
if council , chose to purchase land, I

01:37:39.280 --> 01:37:40.936
understand council has got no intention

01:37:40.960 --> 01:37:42.615
to p purchase the land at the moment. I

01:37:42.639 --> 01:37:45.639
could be wrong, but um if council if

01:37:47.760 --> 01:37:50.760
council  chooses not to  to to 

01:37:51.520 --> 01:37:54.296
reszone the land to to the surrounding

01:37:54.320 --> 01:37:57.016
 zoning, which is  two, and does not

01:37:57.040 --> 01:37:59.576
remove the the current zoning being a

01:37:59.600 --> 01:38:02.600
rec being recreation, that's  council

01:38:03.600 --> 01:38:05.896
would have to purchase that land and

01:38:05.920 --> 01:38:08.776
house at a market value and the market

01:38:08.800 --> 01:38:10.856
value would be

01:38:10.880 --> 01:38:13.880
from  from my my old value mates that

01:38:14.000 --> 01:38:16.615
I used to used to talk to many years ago

01:38:16.639 --> 01:38:19.639
that would be at the at the same p at

01:38:19.679 --> 01:38:22.679
the the same value as the existing

01:38:22.719 --> 01:38:25.719
properties around around that area. So,

01:38:26.080 --> 01:38:29.080
council needs to council needs to if 

01:38:30.000 --> 01:38:32.695
if this this if this  recision motion

01:38:32.719 --> 01:38:35.719
is um is  is one and it goes back to

01:38:36.560 --> 01:38:37.816
the property committee and I've got the

01:38:37.840 --> 01:38:39.576
property committee meeting minutes here

01:38:39.600 --> 01:38:41.576
too from the meeting on Wednesday the

01:38:41.600 --> 01:38:43.175
18th of June. This is not the

01:38:43.199 --> 01:38:44.856
confidential ones like councellor Garard

01:38:44.880 --> 01:38:47.256
was was was throwing was putting around

01:38:47.280 --> 01:38:49.256
and the recommendation of the um of the

01:38:49.280 --> 01:38:51.336
property committee was reszone the land

01:38:51.360 --> 01:38:54.360
from RE1 to R2 low density and remove

01:38:55.280 --> 01:38:57.496
the land acquisition notice on the open

01:38:57.520 --> 01:38:59.016
space

01:38:59.040 --> 01:39:01.095
that was um a recommendation from the

01:39:01.119 --> 01:39:04.119
property committee and  if if count if

01:39:05.840 --> 01:39:08.296
if this if this recision chooses to go

01:39:08.320 --> 01:39:10.456
back to the  property committee I

01:39:10.480 --> 01:39:13.095
would I would probably I would I would

01:39:13.119 --> 01:39:16.119
bet I put my superanuation on it that um

01:39:16.719 --> 01:39:19.719
No, I wouldn't but

01:39:19.920 --> 01:39:22.376
no I wouldn't

01:39:22.400 --> 01:39:24.615
that um that the the property committee

01:39:24.639 --> 01:39:27.175
would would  would not change that

01:39:27.199 --> 01:39:29.655
would not change that  that 

01:39:29.679 --> 01:39:31.896
resolution and we we'll be back where we

01:39:31.920 --> 01:39:34.920
started. So um let's let's stop let's

01:39:35.119 --> 01:39:37.095
stop putting the the current owners

01:39:37.119 --> 01:39:38.615
council never own this land. It's never

01:39:38.639 --> 01:39:41.416
their property. the the the um the

01:39:41.440 --> 01:39:43.256
previous owners owned it for 50 years.

01:39:43.280 --> 01:39:45.736
Now it's been passed on to to the

01:39:45.760 --> 01:39:47.655
beneficiaries of the of of of the

01:39:47.679 --> 01:39:49.655
property. Let's not put them under

01:39:49.679 --> 01:39:52.215
further financial stress and let's get

01:39:52.239 --> 01:39:53.736
this out of the way.

01:39:53.760 --> 01:39:54.856
That's all from me, man.

01:39:54.880 --> 01:39:57.880
Very good point. councellor Councel Zaiter.

01:39:58.480 --> 01:40:01.480
Um I'll be quick.

01:40:01.520 --> 01:40:02.776
It was very interesting to hear what

01:40:02.800 --> 01:40:04.776
councellor Gard was  was saying, even

01:40:04.800 --> 01:40:06.456
what councellor Hughes was saying about

01:40:06.480 --> 01:40:09.480
the fact that  potentially um property

01:40:09.920 --> 01:40:12.615
prices aren't impacted by an RE1 zoning.

01:40:12.639 --> 01:40:14.695
Very surprising considering the

01:40:14.719 --> 01:40:16.615
restrictions associated with with that

01:40:16.639 --> 01:40:18.856
particular zoning um and the assumptions

01:40:18.880 --> 01:40:21.256
that councellor Gar made about what you

01:40:21.280 --> 01:40:24.215
someone may have known or not known 15

01:40:24.239 --> 01:40:25.896
years ago when a property was reszoned.

01:40:25.920 --> 01:40:28.920
I can tell you  that um many of our

01:40:29.520 --> 01:40:31.496
residents  potentially receive

01:40:31.520 --> 01:40:32.776
correspondence from council and

01:40:32.800 --> 01:40:34.536
generally just don't read it or do not

01:40:34.560 --> 01:40:36.776
understand the correspondence. So 

01:40:36.800 --> 01:40:38.536
potentially if someone has not gone and

01:40:38.560 --> 01:40:41.560
 objected to a um a potential letter

01:40:42.480 --> 01:40:44.056
that's received in their in their

01:40:44.080 --> 01:40:46.856
mailbox about a reasonzoning um doesn't

01:40:46.880 --> 01:40:48.695
mean that they weren't against it. I

01:40:48.719 --> 01:40:50.536
know  plenty of residents who receive

01:40:50.560 --> 01:40:52.296
letters from council regarding speed

01:40:52.320 --> 01:40:54.456
humps in their streets and don't bother

01:40:54.480 --> 01:40:56.296
to object. not realizing the actually

01:40:56.320 --> 01:40:57.816
impacts on them and suddenly as soon as

01:40:57.840 --> 01:40:59.736
the  the workers turn up in front of

01:40:59.760 --> 01:41:00.856
their house and they're putting a speed

01:41:00.880 --> 01:41:02.776
up there, guess what? They're not too

01:41:02.800 --> 01:41:04.376
impressed and they do try and object at

01:41:04.400 --> 01:41:07.256
that point in time. Um this property has

01:41:07.280 --> 01:41:08.856
been

01:41:08.880 --> 01:41:11.880
set aside for purchase for 15 years.

01:41:12.320 --> 01:41:15.320
Now, if that doesn't provide uncertainty

01:41:15.440 --> 01:41:17.095
for an owner, I don't know what the hell

01:41:17.119 --> 01:41:20.119
does. So, and and and in terms of the

01:41:20.320 --> 01:41:23.256
actual zoning, yes, I'm not an expert on

01:41:23.280 --> 01:41:24.776
property. I'm not a I'm not a valuer,

01:41:24.800 --> 01:41:27.800
but let me tell you  if I was to buy

01:41:28.639 --> 01:41:30.296
 a property, I would not be buying a

01:41:30.320 --> 01:41:33.016
property that's  resoned RE1 solely on

01:41:33.040 --> 01:41:34.215
the basis that I know I'm not going to

01:41:34.239 --> 01:41:35.496
be able to do whatever I want with it.

01:41:35.520 --> 01:41:37.816
So, if we're not going to buy it, which

01:41:37.840 --> 01:41:39.576
I my understanding that is not going

01:41:39.600 --> 01:41:41.496
that is not the case. We should not

01:41:41.520 --> 01:41:44.520
continue to restrict  this particular

01:41:44.719 --> 01:41:45.736
property or the future of this

01:41:45.760 --> 01:41:47.655
particular property. We should remove 

01:41:47.679 --> 01:41:49.256
remove it off the acquisition list like

01:41:49.280 --> 01:41:52.135
we voted on last month.

01:41:52.159 --> 01:41:54.456
 we can continue to  delay this

01:41:54.480 --> 01:41:56.695
process and um I'll be voting against

01:41:56.719 --> 01:41:57.655
the decision.

01:41:57.679 --> 01:42:00.679
Thank you councellor  councellor
01:42:00.880 --> 01:42:03.880
Hughes you've got the right reply.

01:42:07.440 --> 01:42:09.976
The wording that was put on here was as

01:42:10.000 --> 01:42:11.896
required in order for it because

01:42:11.920 --> 01:42:14.215
appropriately these things need to go

01:42:14.239 --> 01:42:16.056
back to the property committee like it

01:42:16.080 --> 01:42:17.736
or not. And of course because the

01:42:17.760 --> 01:42:20.056
properties committee is just full of

01:42:20.080 --> 01:42:22.056
labor and liberal persons they will make

01:42:22.080 --> 01:42:24.695
the decisions anyway disappointingly

01:42:24.719 --> 01:42:26.536
what there needs to be an understanding

01:42:26.560 --> 01:42:28.536
instead of the place being so horoid

01:42:28.560 --> 01:42:31.256
centric is we do not have the open space

01:42:31.280 --> 01:42:33.896
in the region's park ward the way they

01:42:33.920 --> 01:42:36.856
do out in those wider areas and even

01:42:36.880 --> 01:42:39.095
though it is in those other reports this

01:42:39.119 --> 01:42:42.119
is huge open space in some of the areas

01:42:42.960 --> 01:42:45.336
but certainly not in ours and even

01:42:45.360 --> 01:42:47.416
tonight Something else that's being put

01:42:47.440 --> 01:42:50.215
forward by others is about ex it's total

01:42:50.239 --> 01:42:53.239
it's titled expansion of inclusive and

01:42:53.440 --> 01:42:56.376
accessible playground across Cumberland

01:42:56.400 --> 01:42:58.296
and that's going to be a lot of money as

01:42:58.320 --> 01:43:00.776
well. Now similarly

01:43:00.800 --> 01:43:03.256
we need more open space and that is what

01:43:03.280 --> 01:43:05.496
this intention is. So what would have

01:43:05.520 --> 01:43:08.520
happened if we hadn't had an upgrade to

01:43:08.800 --> 01:43:11.800
Dudley parade you know last year or the

01:43:11.840 --> 01:43:13.336
year before? What would that suddenly

01:43:13.360 --> 01:43:15.416
have been? Oh yes we will. The bottom

01:43:15.440 --> 01:43:17.576
line is that we do need that space for

01:43:17.600 --> 01:43:19.896
the right purposes. Certainly, it's been

01:43:19.920 --> 01:43:22.376
out in the media recently that um

01:43:22.400 --> 01:43:24.536
netball, for example, is one of the most

01:43:24.560 --> 01:43:27.095
popular sports. We could set up a small

01:43:27.119 --> 01:43:29.256
net bowling area on the side, just a

01:43:29.280 --> 01:43:32.280
half pl half area like we do.

01:43:32.400 --> 01:43:34.856
Accessibility to your site would be

01:43:34.880 --> 01:43:37.880
available by council. There is no doubt

01:43:38.080 --> 01:43:40.776
about that because even recently we had

01:43:40.800 --> 01:43:42.615
increase of course of rates. That's been

01:43:42.639 --> 01:43:44.215
a big issue with some people, but we

01:43:44.239 --> 01:43:47.016
knew that we would then have funding in

01:43:47.040 --> 01:43:50.040
our site. No, it wasn't on a list to

01:43:50.480 --> 01:43:53.175
expect to just buy it in the following

01:43:53.199 --> 01:43:56.199
year. It is very sad when someone passes

01:43:56.480 --> 01:43:59.016
but it happens to be re zoned in that

01:43:59.040 --> 01:44:01.736
faction. So I think from a decency angle

01:44:01.760 --> 01:44:03.816
of council, we should immediately

01:44:03.840 --> 01:44:06.840
purchase it at the price of what it

01:44:06.960 --> 01:44:09.960
would be as a residential site. Our area

01:44:10.800 --> 01:44:13.800
is is always in that burella to link

01:44:14.400 --> 01:44:17.256
area. It's under extra development and

01:44:17.280 --> 01:44:20.280
so forth. Very small areas of play area.

01:44:21.760 --> 01:44:24.056
We do not have a lot of space and that

01:44:24.080 --> 01:44:25.896
small area that is just at the back of

01:44:25.920 --> 01:44:28.296
you that Dudley Street, it is very very

01:44:28.320 --> 01:44:30.936
narrow and it's often very very full. So

01:44:30.960 --> 01:44:33.256
we do need it to be widened. And this is

01:44:33.280 --> 01:44:35.336
the opportunity that we have got as

01:44:35.360 --> 01:44:37.816
council for this sort of thing to do.

01:44:37.840 --> 01:44:39.816
And as I've said and I'll say it again,

01:44:39.840 --> 01:44:41.256
it is very sad of what your

01:44:41.280 --> 01:44:43.736
circumstances are and we were not to

01:44:43.760 --> 01:44:45.816
know that that property was going to be

01:44:45.840 --> 01:44:47.095
available when we were doing our

01:44:47.119 --> 01:44:48.936
budgeting. So I think as a matter of

01:44:48.960 --> 01:44:51.416
decency, we are the ones we don't

01:44:51.440 --> 01:44:53.496
reszone it and we purchase it for the

01:44:53.520 --> 01:44:56.135
right purposes for the community. And if

01:44:56.159 --> 01:44:58.056
not, it's very clear that anyone who

01:44:58.080 --> 01:45:00.456
votes against it is not interested in

01:45:00.480 --> 01:45:02.695
open space for people because that is

01:45:02.719 --> 01:45:05.175
what it's about.

01:45:05.199 --> 01:45:06.776
All right, I'm going to move the motion.

01:45:06.800 --> 01:45:09.496
All those in favor of the Hughes Gar

01:45:09.520 --> 01:45:12.376
motion, please raise your hand.

01:45:12.400 --> 01:45:15.016
councellor Alf, councellor, sorry, not

01:45:15.040 --> 01:45:16.776
councellor Alf, councellor Gar, councellor
01:45:16.800 --> 01:45:19.800
Hughes, councellor Kristo, and councellor
01:45:20.000 --> 01:45:22.456
Selventhivan. , all those against the

01:45:22.480 --> 01:45:24.695
motion, please raise your hand. 

01:45:24.719 --> 01:45:27.416
councellor
01:45:27.440 --> 01:45:29.496
Yes sa councellor Elmore councellor s

01:45:29.520 --> 01:45:30.695
councellor common councellor hhammed

01:45:30.719 --> 01:45:33.095
councellor Zaiter councellor kafrroni and

01:45:33.119 --> 01:45:35.576
councellor ramy councellor sarcas are you

01:45:35.600 --> 01:45:38.135
voting

01:45:38.159 --> 01:45:39.816
you're going to abstain that's an that's

01:45:39.840 --> 01:45:42.840
an against I declare that councellor
01:45:43.440 --> 01:45:45.256
Selventhivan voted for the motion I declare

01:45:45.280 --> 01:45:48.280
that lost and we move to the  we move

01:45:50.320 --> 01:45:53.320
to the  that's it isn't it Yeah.

01:45:55.840 --> 01:45:57.576
Now we're going to go to items by

01:45:57.600 --> 01:46:00.056
exception. Councellors, um we'll 

01:46:00.080 --> 01:46:02.536
please advise if you wish to  discuss

01:46:02.560 --> 01:46:04.456
any of the following items, all other

01:46:04.480 --> 01:46:06.936
items will be moved in bulk.  can we

01:46:06.960 --> 01:46:08.376
have silence in the chamber, please?

01:46:08.400 --> 01:46:11.400
Councellors.

01:46:11.600 --> 01:46:14.600
Congratulations.

01:46:15.920 --> 01:46:17.816
Need some water.

01:46:17.840 --> 01:46:20.840
You right. All good. Okay. All right.

01:46:21.040 --> 01:46:22.215
Councellors, I'm going to repeat that.

01:46:22.239 --> 01:46:23.576
We're going to go into items by

01:46:23.600 --> 01:46:25.896
exception. Um  please advise if you

01:46:25.920 --> 01:46:27.095
wish to discuss any of the following

01:46:27.119 --> 01:46:28.615
items and the rest of them will be moved

01:46:28.639 --> 01:46:31.639
in bulk.  25147

01:46:33.119 --> 01:46:36.119
25148

01:46:36.320 --> 01:46:38.776
2549

01:46:38.800 --> 01:46:41.736
251 150.

01:46:41.760 --> 01:46:44.215
Oh, we have to bring that out. Yeah. 

01:46:44.239 --> 01:46:47.239
151 we need to discuss.  25152

01:46:48.880 --> 01:46:51.736
25 and the rest of them are notices of

01:46:51.760 --> 01:46:54.760
motion with a couple of  withdrawn

01:46:55.760 --> 01:46:58.760
ones as noted

01:47:12.159 --> 01:47:14.215
AR0725-1

01:47:14.239 --> 01:47:16.776
one.

01:47:16.800 --> 01:47:19.800
No, wrong ones.

01:47:24.320 --> 01:47:25.896
Oh, that's a road one. Yeah, you're

01:47:25.920 --> 01:47:27.896
right. So, I beg you pardon. That's

01:47:27.920 --> 01:47:30.695
already been done. Um 25161

01:47:30.719 --> 01:47:33.719
is what I meant to call out. 2161.

01:47:35.280 --> 01:47:38.280
Okay, good. Um and that's it. So,

01:47:39.520 --> 01:47:40.695
I'm going to go through them one more

01:47:40.719 --> 01:47:43.719
time. 147, 148, 149,

01:47:44.880 --> 01:47:47.880
152,

01:47:50.880 --> 01:47:53.736
and 161.

01:47:53.760 --> 01:47:55.736
All those in favor say I.

01:47:55.760 --> 01:47:57.576
Actually, I need a mover and a second

01:47:57.600 --> 01:47:59.095
first.

01:47:59.119 --> 01:48:02.119
 moved.  Saha, seconded, councellor
01:48:02.480 --> 01:48:05.095
Sarcus. All those in favor say I.

01:48:05.119 --> 01:48:08.119
Anyone against? I declare that carried.

01:48:08.239 --> 01:48:09.416
And with that, I'm going to take a

01:48:09.440 --> 01:48:10.695
5minute adjournment. Thank you,

01:48:10.719 --> 01:48:13.719
Councellors.

01:48:15.840 --> 01:48:17.175
Councellors, if you can please take your

01:48:17.199 --> 01:48:20.199
seat.

01:48:20.960 --> 01:48:23.960
councellor Coleman.

01:48:24.800 --> 01:48:27.800
Thank you, Mayor. I  we just quickly

01:48:27.920 --> 01:48:30.920
went through the um items by exception,

01:48:31.199 --> 01:48:34.199
but I understand there is one item that

01:48:34.320 --> 01:48:36.936
in fact coun a counselor has said that

01:48:36.960 --> 01:48:38.856
they didn't understand what was

01:48:38.880 --> 01:48:40.776
happening and would like to speak on

01:48:40.800 --> 01:48:43.800
that. So I'd like to  recommmit the

01:48:44.719 --> 01:48:47.719
item number CO725161

01:48:49.040 --> 01:48:51.736
so that the council can actually can

01:48:51.760 --> 01:48:54.760
discuss it please.

01:48:57.600 --> 01:48:59.816
It was already in the closing.

01:48:59.840 --> 01:49:02.840
So, does everybody understand that?

01:49:13.679 --> 01:49:16.215
So, what will happen is we will

01:49:16.239 --> 01:49:17.976
recommmit that

01:49:18.000 --> 01:49:20.135
and the the rest of the reports will be

01:49:20.159 --> 01:49:22.135
resolved by exception by virtue of this

01:49:22.159 --> 01:49:23.976
motion. Is that right?

01:49:24.000 --> 01:49:26.215
Yes. Okay.

01:49:26.239 --> 01:49:28.135
Everybody okay with that? Yep. I'm going

01:49:28.159 --> 01:49:31.159
to put it. All those in favor say I.

01:49:31.280 --> 01:49:33.496
Anyone against?

01:49:33.520 --> 01:49:36.520
I declare that carried and go to 25150.

01:49:38.159 --> 01:49:40.615
I need a mover and a second for

01:49:40.639 --> 01:49:41.416
second.

01:49:41.440 --> 01:49:43.336
Moved. councellor Coleman seconded.

01:49:43.360 --> 01:49:45.336
councellor Saha. We'll need some names

01:49:45.360 --> 01:49:47.816
for conference. councellor.

01:49:47.840 --> 01:49:50.840
Thank you. I have Mayor Hmed.

01:49:53.920 --> 01:49:56.615
I think the staff have um those names

01:49:56.639 --> 01:49:58.856
already. They do. Did you just want to

01:49:58.880 --> 01:50:01.880
double check those?

01:50:06.000 --> 01:50:08.456
So moved. Coleman seconded. Saha, if we

01:50:08.480 --> 01:50:11.480
can please note that on the motion.

01:50:18.320 --> 01:50:21.320
Where's Hugh? Hugh is not on there.

01:50:21.760 --> 01:50:24.615
Oh, it is on there. Sorry.

01:50:24.639 --> 01:50:27.175
Yes, that's it. Thank you, Mayor. Thank

01:50:27.199 --> 01:50:30.199
you. So, I move the um motion and

01:50:31.360 --> 01:50:33.816
recommend it to council.

01:50:33.840 --> 01:50:35.496
Thank you, councellor. councellor Saha,

01:50:35.520 --> 01:50:37.416
anything to add? No, I'm going to give

01:50:37.440 --> 01:50:40.440
you a minute or so to

01:50:41.119 --> 01:50:42.376
read it. councellor Hughes, you're

01:50:42.400 --> 01:50:45.400
looking at the screen.

01:50:45.600 --> 01:50:48.600
You're a voting delegate.

01:50:48.639 --> 01:50:50.536
Yeah.

01:50:50.560 --> 01:50:53.175
Okay. All right. I'm going to There's no

01:50:53.199 --> 01:50:54.456
speakers. I'm going to put the motion.

01:50:54.480 --> 01:50:56.456
All those in favor say I.

01:50:56.480 --> 01:50:58.695
Anyone against?

01:50:58.719 --> 01:51:01.719
I I declare that carried. We move to

01:51:01.920 --> 01:51:04.920
notice of motion. Easter Extravaganza.

01:51:05.360 --> 01:51:08.360
councellor Ramy, you have the floor.

01:51:09.199 --> 01:51:12.199
Thank you, Mayor.

01:51:12.880 --> 01:51:15.880
So based on the census data of 2021,

01:51:16.639 --> 01:51:18.615
Christianity and Christian denominations

01:51:18.639 --> 01:51:20.296
formed the largest religious group in

01:51:20.320 --> 01:51:23.320
Cumberland, accounting for 30.3%.

01:51:24.080 --> 01:51:26.456
In saying this, Easter is celebrated by

01:51:26.480 --> 01:51:28.615
an enormous cross-section of Australia

01:51:28.639 --> 01:51:30.856
that is intertwined in the DNA of this

01:51:30.880 --> 01:51:33.655
beautiful land.

01:51:33.679 --> 01:51:35.416
Easter is the most important event on

01:51:35.440 --> 01:51:37.016
the Christian calendar. But even for the

01:51:37.040 --> 01:51:39.736
non-Christians and non-religious, Easter

01:51:39.760 --> 01:51:42.615
is a time for families to come together

01:51:42.639 --> 01:51:45.095
to spread love, kindness, and savor

01:51:45.119 --> 01:51:48.119
beautiful moments with their loved ones.

01:51:48.480 --> 01:51:50.776
Currently, we have an amazing Easter

01:51:50.800 --> 01:51:52.856
event being the Easter egg hunt at

01:51:52.880 --> 01:51:55.416
Central Gardens.

01:51:55.440 --> 01:51:57.175
The intention is not to replace this

01:51:57.199 --> 01:51:59.575
event. We need to continue to focus on

01:51:59.599 --> 01:52:01.416
the Easter egg hunt to ensure it

01:52:01.440 --> 01:52:04.056
continues to grow exponentially in years

01:52:04.080 --> 01:52:06.536
to come.

01:52:06.560 --> 01:52:09.095
Even this year's Easter egg hunt was a

01:52:09.119 --> 01:52:10.856
roaring success and loved by everyone

01:52:10.880 --> 01:52:12.615
that attended and a great job was done

01:52:12.639 --> 01:52:15.639
by all council staff.

01:52:16.159 --> 01:52:18.296
Rather, the Easter egg extravaganza is

01:52:18.320 --> 01:52:20.215
in addition to the Easter egg hunt not a

01:52:20.239 --> 01:52:21.816
substitute

01:52:21.840 --> 01:52:23.976
where the Easter egg hunt is focused on

01:52:24.000 --> 01:52:26.776
our little ones. The Easter extravaganza

01:52:26.800 --> 01:52:28.296
will be focused on the balance of the

01:52:28.320 --> 01:52:31.320
demographics within our LGA. Families,

01:52:31.440 --> 01:52:34.215
teenagers, young adults, and pensioners

01:52:34.239 --> 01:52:36.215
coming together to celebrate Easter and

01:52:36.239 --> 01:52:38.776
to celebrate multiculturalism, which is

01:52:38.800 --> 01:52:41.800
what makes our LGA so beautiful.

01:52:42.400 --> 01:52:45.175
The Easter Extravaganza will is proposed

01:52:45.199 --> 01:52:47.095
to occur in the area bounded by

01:52:47.119 --> 01:52:49.416
Granville Town Hall, the old library and

01:52:49.440 --> 01:52:52.296
Jaberson Street over two nights and will

01:52:52.320 --> 01:52:54.695
consist of live and is envisaged to

01:52:54.719 --> 01:52:57.336
consist of live performances, market

01:52:57.360 --> 01:52:59.896
stores, food trucks and celebrations to

01:52:59.920 --> 01:53:02.856
mark the beautiful time of Easter.

01:53:02.880 --> 01:53:05.095
You might ask why Granville? Well,

01:53:05.119 --> 01:53:06.695
Granville is very fitting for a number

01:53:06.719 --> 01:53:08.695
of reasons.

01:53:08.719 --> 01:53:10.536
It's the geographical center of the

01:53:10.560 --> 01:53:12.536
Cumberland LGA and therefore becomes

01:53:12.560 --> 01:53:14.376
very accessible by people from all

01:53:14.400 --> 01:53:16.615
corners of our LGA.

01:53:16.639 --> 01:53:19.256
The thriving nighttime economy and foody

01:53:19.280 --> 01:53:20.856
scene of Granville and the ease of

01:53:20.880 --> 01:53:23.496
accessibility being serviced by

01:53:23.520 --> 01:53:25.816
Granville station and the fact that

01:53:25.840 --> 01:53:28.056
currently Granville lacks any fair or

01:53:28.080 --> 01:53:30.376
festival or major nighttime council

01:53:30.400 --> 01:53:32.615
event.

01:53:32.639 --> 01:53:34.215
I believe that this is an event that

01:53:34.239 --> 01:53:35.896
will grow exponentially and something

01:53:35.920 --> 01:53:38.456
that Cumberland the Cumberland LGA

01:53:38.480 --> 01:53:41.095
really needs. If the positive feedback

01:53:41.119 --> 01:53:43.416
that I've personally received from

01:53:43.440 --> 01:53:45.095
things like the Easter Banners are

01:53:45.119 --> 01:53:47.496
anything to go by, then I'm certain that

01:53:47.520 --> 01:53:50.135
this event will be a roaring success and

01:53:50.159 --> 01:53:51.976
I encourage every counselor in this

01:53:52.000 --> 01:53:53.816
chamber to support this this beautiful

01:53:53.840 --> 01:53:55.095
initiative. Thank you, ma'am.

01:53:55.119 --> 01:53:58.119
Fantastic. Thank you, councellor Al.

01:53:58.639 --> 01:54:01.496
What about the

01:54:01.520 --> 01:54:03.016
council is you the second or do you want

01:54:03.040 --> 01:54:06.040
to you want to

01:54:07.920 --> 01:54:10.920
okay thank you

01:54:11.440 --> 01:54:14.440
I definitely support the  motion

01:54:14.880 --> 01:54:16.695
still um I didn't have the right to

01:54:16.719 --> 01:54:19.416
respond for the fallon dafa they're not

01:54:19.440 --> 01:54:22.376
here nearly all of them they're gone I'm

01:54:22.400 --> 01:54:25.400
very disappointed that we didn't give

01:54:25.679 --> 01:54:28.056
them the right to celebrate to practice

01:54:28.080 --> 01:54:31.080
what they believe in.

01:54:31.199 --> 01:54:33.416
I do believe.

01:54:33.440 --> 01:54:35.816
Can you just  shut up when I'm

01:54:35.840 --> 01:54:36.695
talking?

01:54:36.719 --> 01:54:38.615
I'm going to pardon counselor.

01:54:38.639 --> 01:54:40.376
When I'm talking, this is my time, not

01:54:40.400 --> 01:54:42.856
your time. When I talk, you shut up.

01:54:42.880 --> 01:54:43.256
Okay.

01:54:43.280 --> 01:54:46.280
I'll point.

01:54:48.239 --> 01:54:50.135
Why she's why she's talking while I'm

01:54:50.159 --> 01:54:52.456
talking? Why she's taking from my time?

01:54:52.480 --> 01:54:54.376
You just keep your mouth shut when I'm

01:54:54.400 --> 01:54:57.400
talking. I never I never ever

01:54:58.080 --> 01:55:00.056
spoke when you were talking or having a

01:55:00.080 --> 01:55:01.575
time.

01:55:01.599 --> 01:55:04.599
You show respect. You show respect. Show

01:55:05.040 --> 01:55:05.496
respect.

01:55:05.520 --> 01:55:07.575
You raising your voice is not going to

01:55:07.599 --> 01:55:09.416
intimidate me.

01:55:09.440 --> 01:55:11.016
I'm not intimidated.

01:55:11.040 --> 01:55:12.135
151,

01:55:12.159 --> 01:55:15.159
not 100.

01:55:15.679 --> 01:55:17.976
Who do you think you're speaking to? Who

01:55:18.000 --> 01:55:20.135
do you think you're speaking to? I am a

01:55:20.159 --> 01:55:22.776
counselor who to represent the people.

01:55:22.800 --> 01:55:25.416
then show respect so that you can be

01:55:25.440 --> 01:55:27.976
respected when I'm talking.

01:55:28.000 --> 01:55:30.056
I'm going to move an adjournment for 15

01:55:30.080 --> 01:55:30.536
minutes.

01:55:30.560 --> 01:55:33.560
Yes.

01:55:33.679 --> 01:55:36.056
Okay, Councellors. Um we're now back on

01:55:36.080 --> 01:55:39.080
live stream. I've got a  point of

01:55:40.080 --> 01:55:41.736
order that I need to deal with.

01:55:41.760 --> 01:55:43.736
councellor Coleman's point of order under

01:55:43.760 --> 01:55:45.416
1511D.

01:55:45.440 --> 01:55:48.376
Um, which

01:55:48.400 --> 01:55:50.776
I will uphold given the words shut your

01:55:50.800 --> 01:55:53.256
mouth was used by council more than

01:55:53.280 --> 01:55:55.175
once. Council, I'm going to ask you to

01:55:55.199 --> 01:55:57.896
withdraw and apologize.

01:55:57.920 --> 01:56:00.296
I withdraw my statement. Apologize for

01:56:00.320 --> 01:56:02.215
the word, but I won't respect while I'm

01:56:02.239 --> 01:56:04.376
speaking. I demand that people respect.

01:56:04.400 --> 01:56:05.736
So, you withdraw and apologize.

01:56:05.760 --> 01:56:08.215
Counselor, you um can continue with your

01:56:08.239 --> 01:56:08.856
speech.

01:56:08.880 --> 01:56:11.416
Okay. I rise in support of the motion by

01:56:11.440 --> 01:56:14.440
 my colleagues  Joe

01:56:15.199 --> 01:56:17.736
and Mr. Zaiter.

01:56:17.760 --> 01:56:19.816
Um events like this bring people

01:56:19.840 --> 01:56:22.456
together regardless of the background of

01:56:22.480 --> 01:56:24.776
the order the belief.

01:56:24.800 --> 01:56:27.800
Um I do believe um it's a good holiday.

01:56:28.080 --> 01:56:30.536
It creates space for families and also

01:56:30.560 --> 01:56:32.456
it will help businesses which is

01:56:32.480 --> 01:56:35.480
something that I really care about.

01:56:35.840 --> 01:56:37.816
and also our diverse community can

01:56:37.840 --> 01:56:39.496
connect together not just the Christians

01:56:39.520 --> 01:56:41.175
but also Muslims and others can

01:56:41.199 --> 01:56:43.095
participate and I love that our

01:56:43.119 --> 01:56:46.056
community come together in such events

01:56:46.080 --> 01:56:48.135
and we do believe I support also that

01:56:48.159 --> 01:56:50.376
Granville is the place because it's one

01:56:50.400 --> 01:56:53.400
of the most um multicultural and rich

01:56:53.520 --> 01:56:56.520
and vibrant parts of our city and at the

01:56:56.560 --> 01:56:58.056
same time it's in the center of

01:56:58.080 --> 01:57:00.056
Cumberland which will make it easy for

01:57:00.080 --> 01:57:03.080
others to come and I do believe $75,000

01:57:04.080 --> 01:57:06.056
is a worthwhile invest investment in

01:57:06.080 --> 01:57:08.615
unity, culture and positive local

01:57:08.639 --> 01:57:11.639
experience for families. Thank you.

01:57:11.760 --> 01:57:14.760
Thank you, councellor. councellor Gar,

01:57:15.679 --> 01:57:18.456
madame mayor. Um, look, I I want to

01:57:18.480 --> 01:57:21.175
support this because I believe it's a a

01:57:21.199 --> 01:57:23.976
worthwhile exercise and has the

01:57:24.000 --> 01:57:26.536
opportunity to be a wonderful event.

01:57:26.560 --> 01:57:29.560
However, um I would ask the mover to

01:57:30.239 --> 01:57:33.239
seriously consider um the use the  the

01:57:35.360 --> 01:57:38.135
use of the area

01:57:38.159 --> 01:57:40.215
um in front of the Greyville Cultural

01:57:40.239 --> 01:57:43.239
Center and also perhaps the closure of

01:57:45.920 --> 01:57:47.896
Enid Avenue is it that runs around

01:57:47.920 --> 01:57:50.920
beside the center  next to the

01:57:52.159 --> 01:57:55.016
existing car park in Granville that that

01:57:55.040 --> 01:57:58.040
site be be utilized rather than the site

01:57:58.239 --> 01:58:00.936
here because I acknowledge

01:58:00.960 --> 01:58:03.960
the n I I acknowledge the extent of its

01:58:04.719 --> 01:58:07.719
use the car park any day of the week. We

01:58:08.400 --> 01:58:11.016
all know that parking is a premium in

01:58:11.040 --> 01:58:14.040
Granville and being able to closing down

01:58:14.239 --> 01:58:17.175
a car park in Granville

01:58:17.199 --> 01:58:20.199
really I think has a recipe for chaos.

01:58:24.480 --> 01:58:27.480
So I'm I'm suggesting that we we use a

01:58:27.520 --> 01:58:29.416
bigger area that the area in front of

01:58:29.440 --> 01:58:32.376
the  the cultural center when you

01:58:32.400 --> 01:58:35.400
consider the size of it of it. Um

01:58:36.639 --> 01:58:38.936
but by cultural center just to clarify

01:58:38.960 --> 01:58:40.776
do you mean the Granville center? Yeah.

01:58:40.800 --> 01:58:42.135
In front of the Granville center there.

01:58:42.159 --> 01:58:42.376
Yeah.

01:58:42.400 --> 01:58:44.056
Yeah.

01:58:44.080 --> 01:58:45.736
that would run from where the car park

01:58:45.760 --> 01:58:48.376
finishes now in the center across that

01:58:48.400 --> 01:58:51.400
road and then right across in front of

01:58:51.679 --> 01:58:54.215
the  Granville Center right across to

01:58:54.239 --> 01:58:57.239
the far eastern side of it. Um and I I

01:58:58.560 --> 01:59:01.560
think that's a better space.

01:59:02.080 --> 01:59:05.080
I thank Gar for his idea. I don't on the

01:59:05.920 --> 01:59:07.416
face of it I don't have an issue but is

01:59:07.440 --> 01:59:09.736
it actually a bigger area?

01:59:09.760 --> 01:59:10.776
I'm just concerned about the

01:59:10.800 --> 01:59:12.936
Grand Can I suggest to you it is

01:59:12.960 --> 01:59:14.456
actually a beautiful area right there.

01:59:14.480 --> 01:59:17.480
We we did have a Nar's event there and

01:59:17.520 --> 01:59:20.376
it was aesthetically a lot nicer than

01:59:20.400 --> 01:59:22.215
the car park. Why don't we Why don't we

01:59:22.239 --> 01:59:22.615
open

01:59:22.639 --> 01:59:24.776
Can you get food trucks on the grass?

01:59:24.800 --> 01:59:26.456
Well, that's what I was going to say.

01:59:26.480 --> 01:59:28.215
Why don't we Yeah, cuz you could close

01:59:28.239 --> 01:59:29.256
part of the road.

01:59:29.280 --> 01:59:31.095
Where would you put a stage roughly?

01:59:31.119 --> 01:59:31.976
Like I know that's

01:59:32.000 --> 01:59:33.736
Why don't we Why don't we um

01:59:33.760 --> 01:59:35.175
put that as another option?

01:59:35.199 --> 01:59:37.655
Yeah. Yeah. So

01:59:37.679 --> 01:59:39.896
that way council staff can examine and

01:59:39.920 --> 01:59:42.135
come back.

01:59:42.159 --> 01:59:43.736
Yeah. Which is more appropriate.

01:59:43.760 --> 01:59:46.760
Okay. So the move that

01:59:47.199 --> 01:59:49.256
y

01:59:49.280 --> 01:59:51.416
So So councellor, we need some words. So

01:59:51.440 --> 01:59:53.256
this twoight event will be held.

01:59:53.280 --> 01:59:55.095
Well, you're going to close Enid Avenue

01:59:55.119 --> 01:59:58.119
as well. So

02:00:04.000 --> 02:00:06.135
the other thing is

02:00:06.159 --> 02:00:07.736
Ed Avenue runs around the front of the

02:00:07.760 --> 02:00:08.456
pool.

02:00:08.480 --> 02:00:10.056
If you close that road, only two

02:00:10.080 --> 02:00:11.816
residents, right? You could use in front

02:00:11.840 --> 02:00:14.840
of the pool on one side, then run around

02:00:15.040 --> 02:00:17.896
the corner across in front of the um

02:00:17.920 --> 02:00:20.920
center.

02:00:21.199 --> 02:00:24.199
So, and the police. What's this?

02:00:25.760 --> 02:00:28.456
Yeah. councellor Ramy, are you okay with

02:00:28.480 --> 02:00:31.480
those words?

02:00:37.040 --> 02:00:39.095
Yeah. Okay. Good. That's been accepted.

02:00:39.119 --> 02:00:40.456
Thank you, councellor Gara. That was a

02:00:40.480 --> 02:00:43.336
that was good contribution.

02:00:43.360 --> 02:00:45.256
Anything else, Council Gara?

02:00:45.280 --> 02:00:47.416
You've got a minute and 30 and 29

02:00:47.440 --> 02:00:50.440
seconds. You sure you want to waste it?

02:00:51.040 --> 02:00:54.040
councellor Kristo,

02:00:58.239 --> 02:00:59.736
I won't need that long. Thank you,

02:00:59.760 --> 02:01:02.760
councellor. I I thoroughly support 

02:01:03.840 --> 02:01:06.296
this this event and this proposal, this

02:01:06.320 --> 02:01:08.615
Easter extravaganza, and it's great to

02:01:08.639 --> 02:01:10.296
be seeing. It's great that it's going to

02:01:10.320 --> 02:01:13.016
be held in the Granville Ward.  we are

02:01:13.040 --> 02:01:16.040
a community that  celebrates many 

02:01:16.800 --> 02:01:19.575
many um performances and many cultural

02:01:19.599 --> 02:01:21.016
traditions, whether it be Ramadan,

02:01:21.040 --> 02:01:24.040
Diwali, Luna New Year, Nero's New Year,

02:01:24.880 --> 02:01:27.095
many of them I I initiated. But I'm

02:01:27.119 --> 02:01:29.496
happy to throw my support behind this

02:01:29.520 --> 02:01:32.135
because it's something that um the it's

02:01:32.159 --> 02:01:33.496
something that all the community can

02:01:33.520 --> 02:01:35.496
enjoy, not just the Christian community.

02:01:35.520 --> 02:01:38.135
However, I will point out that I very

02:01:38.159 --> 02:01:40.456
much look forward and I'm happy to work

02:01:40.480 --> 02:01:43.480
um with any counselor to see that um the

02:01:44.080 --> 02:01:46.135
fabric of Vista being displayed at the

02:01:46.159 --> 02:01:48.615
fair and that is the banners of Christ

02:01:48.639 --> 02:01:51.639
on the um on the cross and appropriate

02:01:51.760 --> 02:01:54.135
 appropriate resemblance not just

02:01:54.159 --> 02:01:56.135
Easter bunnies but actual Christ on the

02:01:56.159 --> 02:01:58.695
cross across the fair as well and the

02:01:58.719 --> 02:02:01.175
great food and the harmony that Easter

02:02:01.199 --> 02:02:03.575
brings to people for everybody to enjoy.

02:02:03.599 --> 02:02:04.936
Thank you.

02:02:04.960 --> 02:02:07.960
Thank you, Council councellor Hughes.

02:02:08.400 --> 02:02:11.016
Um, thank you. And I'm assuming that on

02:02:11.040 --> 02:02:12.456
there you will write the adjustment of

02:02:12.480 --> 02:02:14.615
where the suggested area is that is

02:02:14.639 --> 02:02:17.095
there currently. And look, at the time,

02:02:17.119 --> 02:02:19.816
um, , when we read this, we thought,

02:02:19.840 --> 02:02:21.655
um, yeah, it's a really great idea and

02:02:21.679 --> 02:02:24.536
it is lovely, but to us, to me, it's the

02:02:24.560 --> 02:02:26.376
visibility of it. If it's in that

02:02:26.400 --> 02:02:28.456
parking space, you don't see it unless

02:02:28.480 --> 02:02:30.056
you're going in there to park or if you

02:02:30.080 --> 02:02:31.496
happen to know about it. So, at least

02:02:31.520 --> 02:02:32.856
this way, when it's out there and in

02:02:32.880 --> 02:02:34.695
your face, people pull over, you've got

02:02:34.719 --> 02:02:36.695
a parking space nearby, you can come

02:02:36.719 --> 02:02:38.695
over and have a have that and enjoy that

02:02:38.719 --> 02:02:40.856
and let it be known a bit more widely

02:02:40.880 --> 02:02:42.936
from the visibility. And hence that's

02:02:42.960 --> 02:02:45.960
why the um area of of having it within

02:02:46.080 --> 02:02:48.856
the community outside the Granville

02:02:48.880 --> 02:02:51.880
Community Center is is really critical

02:02:52.320 --> 02:02:55.016
in that respect. And um for that time of

02:02:55.040 --> 02:02:56.376
year, it will be beautiful to be out

02:02:56.400 --> 02:02:58.296
there and enjoy that space and that sort

02:02:58.320 --> 02:03:00.215
of thing. And it's not in your it's not

02:03:00.239 --> 02:03:02.615
in just um that that parking area space

02:03:02.639 --> 02:03:04.376
backyard. So I certainly hope that that

02:03:04.400 --> 02:03:07.400
is um understood and used accordingly

02:03:07.520 --> 02:03:09.016
equally too. Of course you've got people

02:03:09.040 --> 02:03:10.936
on trains going past. So those who might

02:03:10.960 --> 02:03:13.256
get off at Clyde or even in in

02:03:13.280 --> 02:03:15.016
Granville, they see it. They might swing

02:03:15.040 --> 02:03:16.856
over. You don't see it when it's in that

02:03:16.880 --> 02:03:18.296
other parking space behind the town

02:03:18.320 --> 02:03:19.416
hall.

02:03:19.440 --> 02:03:22.440
Thank you councellor Councel Yang.

02:03:24.239 --> 02:03:27.239
I supported the motion.

02:03:27.440 --> 02:03:30.440
It is good things to hold on

02:03:31.599 --> 02:03:34.599
event. Event event is about embracing

02:03:35.119 --> 02:03:38.119
the value of the community.

02:03:38.560 --> 02:03:41.560
So if you consider one amendment, it is

02:03:45.520 --> 02:03:48.520
called annually and rotate among word to

02:03:51.360 --> 02:03:54.360
provide council delivery.

02:03:55.119 --> 02:03:58.119
No each year year. Yeah. What? What

02:03:58.480 --> 02:04:01.480
about your idea?

02:04:03.199 --> 02:04:05.496
That's

02:04:05.520 --> 02:04:07.416
shinking. Thank you very much.

02:04:07.440 --> 02:04:08.456
Thank you, councel.

02:04:08.480 --> 02:04:11.480
You put the

02:04:15.920 --> 02:04:18.056
annually and the rotating.

02:04:18.080 --> 02:04:20.615
That's the intent.

02:04:20.639 --> 02:04:23.416
Yeah. Sorry. councellor Rammy, will you

02:04:23.440 --> 02:04:26.440
add an annual council to deliver an

02:04:26.639 --> 02:04:29.639
annual

02:04:33.199 --> 02:04:36.135
and then end the rotation? You know,

02:04:36.159 --> 02:04:36.615
each one

02:04:36.639 --> 02:04:38.135
councellor Ramy, will you accept a

02:04:38.159 --> 02:04:41.016
rotation? No. councellor councellor Yang,

02:04:41.040 --> 02:04:42.936
councellor Rammy will not Can I have Can

02:04:42.960 --> 02:04:45.016
I have silence in the in the chamber,

02:04:45.040 --> 02:04:48.040
please?

02:04:48.639 --> 02:04:48.776
I'll

02:04:48.800 --> 02:04:50.536
change the 26 to annual.

02:04:50.560 --> 02:04:53.095
Yep.

02:04:53.119 --> 02:04:54.215
No rotation.

02:04:54.239 --> 02:04:56.296
Council Yang, councellor Ramy has not

02:04:56.320 --> 02:04:59.320
accepted your 

02:05:00.159 --> 02:05:03.159
suggestion to um to have a rotation.

02:05:04.480 --> 02:05:05.816
Okay. Is there anything else you'd like

02:05:05.840 --> 02:05:06.376
to add?

02:05:06.400 --> 02:05:07.416
Yeah.

02:05:07.440 --> 02:05:08.215
Yes.

02:05:08.239 --> 02:05:10.376
Annual and rotation.

02:05:10.400 --> 02:05:12.056
So, we've added annual, but councellor
02:05:12.080 --> 02:05:14.615
Ramy won't accept.

02:05:14.639 --> 02:05:17.016
You don't accept. Okay. We put the

02:05:17.040 --> 02:05:17.736
amendment.

02:05:17.760 --> 02:05:20.760
Yeah. Motion. No, he's saying

02:05:21.440 --> 02:05:23.016
you'd like an amendment, counselor.

02:05:23.040 --> 02:05:23.736
Amendment. Yes.

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What's what are your words, counselor?

02:05:26.239 --> 02:05:28.296
Works

02:05:28.320 --> 02:05:31.320
each held annually and rotate among the

02:05:32.320 --> 02:05:35.320
world to provide the council delivery.

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Right.

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That's amended.

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Do you have a second council?

02:05:43.040 --> 02:05:46.040
I'll second.

02:05:48.560 --> 02:05:51.560
You'll second it.

02:05:52.880 --> 02:05:55.880
That's why each word harmony

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harmony.

02:06:03.360 --> 02:06:06.360
We've got a second. councellor Yesa.

02:06:07.920 --> 02:06:10.920
councellor Yang, you've got the floor.

02:06:14.880 --> 02:06:16.296
Council Yang, would you like to speak to

02:06:16.320 --> 02:06:18.135
your amendment?

02:06:18.159 --> 02:06:20.456
Yeah. Amendment. I already told you.

02:06:20.480 --> 02:06:21.575
You already talked to the amendment.

02:06:21.599 --> 02:06:23.336
Council, would you like to speak to the

02:06:23.360 --> 02:06:23.896
amendment?

02:06:23.920 --> 02:06:26.920
Yeah, I think it's a

02:06:27.280 --> 02:06:30.280
large council.  I think we

02:06:31.679 --> 02:06:33.976
we don't do the integration between the

02:06:34.000 --> 02:06:36.695
wars very well. Like the the difference

02:06:36.719 --> 02:06:39.256
between Lickam and the far west of

02:06:39.280 --> 02:06:40.536
Council may as well be two different

02:06:40.560 --> 02:06:42.536
planets. And I think maybe if we did

02:06:42.560 --> 02:06:44.055
rotate some of these festivals

02:06:44.079 --> 02:06:46.376
encouraging people

02:06:46.400 --> 02:06:48.215
from Granville to come to Regent's Park

02:06:48.239 --> 02:06:49.736
ward or from the Grey Stains award to

02:06:49.760 --> 02:06:51.256
come to Regent's Park ward and vice

02:06:51.280 --> 02:06:53.496
versa and it might encourage some

02:06:53.520 --> 02:06:56.456
movement of Cumberland residents and

02:06:56.480 --> 02:06:58.615
some affinity of Cumberland residents

02:06:58.639 --> 02:07:01.416
with the other parts of Cumberland. So I

02:07:01.440 --> 02:07:04.135
think that's a fantastic idea. I know

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it's not going to be the win you're

02:07:05.520 --> 02:07:07.016
looking for every year to have it in

02:07:07.040 --> 02:07:09.976
Granville, but you have if we do it, you

02:07:10.000 --> 02:07:11.655
know, next year in Granville and then

02:07:11.679 --> 02:07:13.575
the following year in the next one or

02:07:13.599 --> 02:07:15.336
whatnot, it won't be terrible is what

02:07:15.360 --> 02:07:16.615
I'm trying to say. I think it's the

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rotation idea is great. Um,

02:07:19.280 --> 02:07:20.536
yeah, I support it.

02:07:20.560 --> 02:07:21.816
We'll forgive you counselor. You're

02:07:21.840 --> 02:07:23.175
still learning

02:07:23.199 --> 02:07:26.199
the logistics of the an event of that

02:07:26.400 --> 02:07:29.400
scale to rotating it. Actually,

02:07:31.360 --> 02:07:33.095
, councellor councellor Rama, I'm going

02:07:33.119 --> 02:07:34.615
to ask you to stop there. , councellor
02:07:34.639 --> 02:07:35.896
Coleman, you have the floor.

02:07:35.920 --> 02:07:38.920
I actually just have a question, um, for

02:07:38.960 --> 02:07:41.960
the general manager, if I may. Mayor,

02:07:42.239 --> 02:07:42.856
please.

02:07:42.880 --> 02:07:45.880
Thank you. Um, at the moment we have an

02:07:46.800 --> 02:07:49.800
a children's Easter

02:07:49.840 --> 02:07:52.840
event at Central Gardens in Mrylands. We

02:07:53.920 --> 02:07:56.856
had it this year. It was extraordinarily

02:07:56.880 --> 02:07:59.336
successful. I think thousands and

02:07:59.360 --> 02:08:00.856
thousands of children were there was

02:08:00.880 --> 02:08:03.880
great fun and  the year before it was

02:08:04.000 --> 02:08:07.000
held. I I just wanted to seek some

02:08:07.440 --> 02:08:10.215
asurances that this isn't intended to

02:08:10.239 --> 02:08:13.239
replace that Easter event that this is

02:08:13.520 --> 02:08:15.655
meant to be in addition to that Easter

02:08:15.679 --> 02:08:18.679
event and that in fact the funding for

02:08:18.719 --> 02:08:21.016
the current Easter event will not be

02:08:21.040 --> 02:08:23.575
affected by by funding for this.

02:08:23.599 --> 02:08:25.016
Acting general manager.

02:08:25.040 --> 02:08:26.856
Thank you. through you, Mayor. councellor
02:08:26.880 --> 02:08:29.880
Coleman, the current Easter event that

02:08:30.239 --> 02:08:32.615
occurs at Central Gardens is funded out

02:08:32.639 --> 02:08:34.536
of the operational budget annually every

02:08:34.560 --> 02:08:37.256
year. This is proposing to be funded out

02:08:37.280 --> 02:08:39.736
of the community reserve. So, if council

02:08:39.760 --> 02:08:41.736
did resolve to proceed with this event,

02:08:41.760 --> 02:08:43.175
that would not have any impact

02:08:43.199 --> 02:08:45.256
whatsoever on on your event, provided

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council continued to adopt the events

02:08:47.119 --> 02:08:49.256
program unchanged in its current form.

02:08:49.280 --> 02:08:52.135
Okay. Thank you. I I just thought it was

02:08:52.159 --> 02:08:54.615
good to ensure that what I understood

02:08:54.639 --> 02:08:56.215
was actually the case. Thank you.

02:08:56.239 --> 02:08:58.296
I I have a question if I may to the

02:08:58.320 --> 02:08:59.976
acting general manager or through you at

02:09:00.000 --> 02:09:02.936
least to the relevant officer. um what

02:09:02.960 --> 02:09:05.896
would be the implication if we were to

02:09:05.920 --> 02:09:08.920
in fact rotate

02:09:09.280 --> 02:09:12.280
our

02:09:13.280 --> 02:09:15.336
um I'm asking the acting general manager

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please remain silent um through you to

02:09:18.400 --> 02:09:20.456
either the relevant director or I'm

02:09:20.480 --> 02:09:23.480
happy to hear a response from you acting

02:09:24.719 --> 02:09:27.256
mayor what I can say having managed that

02:09:27.280 --> 02:09:29.256
portfolio previously and and I'm happy

02:09:29.280 --> 02:09:31.256
for director burn to jump in if if

02:09:31.280 --> 02:09:33.816
there's something I miss when we plan

02:09:33.840 --> 02:09:36.215
our events and we know the location that

02:09:36.239 --> 02:09:39.016
they're going to be in every year. We've

02:09:39.040 --> 02:09:40.856
all of the logistics run effectively

02:09:40.880 --> 02:09:43.016
with military precision in terms of the

02:09:43.040 --> 02:09:44.776
traffic management, the road closures,

02:09:44.800 --> 02:09:46.296
the locations of things, even our

02:09:46.320 --> 02:09:48.055
stallholders and the stakeholders we

02:09:48.079 --> 02:09:50.135
have to engage with outside of council

02:09:50.159 --> 02:09:52.615
to be able to run those events. If you

02:09:52.639 --> 02:09:54.296
were to try and rotate it, not only

02:09:54.320 --> 02:09:56.135
would it add significant time, there

02:09:56.159 --> 02:09:57.976
would be massive cost implications for

02:09:58.000 --> 02:10:00.695
us because different areas lend

02:10:00.719 --> 02:10:02.615
themselves to different expenses that we

02:10:02.639 --> 02:10:05.095
have to incur in doing that. So, so that

02:10:05.119 --> 02:10:07.256
would prove to be a massive challenge

02:10:07.280 --> 02:10:09.016
both in terms of our planning and our

02:10:09.040 --> 02:10:10.936
logistics and and the cost to council.

02:10:10.960 --> 02:10:13.016
Thank you. councellor Zaiter, you have the

02:10:13.040 --> 02:10:15.976
floor. And then I speak against the

02:10:16.000 --> 02:10:17.655
amendment solely on the basis that one

02:10:17.679 --> 02:10:20.296
of the reasons why  this particular 

02:10:20.320 --> 02:10:22.135
event is being noted or has been

02:10:22.159 --> 02:10:23.736
requested to be in Granville is because

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Granville doesn't have  such an event

02:10:26.560 --> 02:10:29.560
currently in place. Um and to

02:10:32.159 --> 02:10:34.536
move forward with with this particular

02:10:34.560 --> 02:10:37.095
amendment where um this particular event

02:10:37.119 --> 02:10:38.856
has moved from from year to year to

02:10:38.880 --> 02:10:40.615
different wards. If we were to apply

02:10:40.639 --> 02:10:42.856
that to every single other event that we

02:10:42.880 --> 02:10:45.175
do, I agree with  what the general

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manager or the the

02:10:47.840 --> 02:10:49.575
the acting general manager just put

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forward. I would say that will be a 

02:10:51.840 --> 02:10:53.816
organizational nightmare and the cost

02:10:53.840 --> 02:10:56.376
associated with undertaking that process

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will be substantial. Keep in mind that

02:10:58.960 --> 02:11:01.960
um that our residents who who attend

02:11:02.400 --> 02:11:05.400
these events from year to year um get to

02:11:06.480 --> 02:11:09.480
get get I suppose they get used to

02:11:09.599 --> 02:11:11.256
having those events in specific

02:11:11.280 --> 02:11:14.280
locations from year to year. Um and and

02:11:14.719 --> 02:11:16.856
those locations I suppose start build

02:11:16.880 --> 02:11:18.776
the actual locations themselves start

02:11:18.800 --> 02:11:21.416
building up their own goodwill.  if we

02:11:21.440 --> 02:11:23.896
just if we move forward and and try and

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change the  location for every single

02:11:26.239 --> 02:11:28.536
event that we have in our council every

02:11:28.560 --> 02:11:31.016
single year, I truly believe a lot of

02:11:31.040 --> 02:11:34.040
our residents would just get lost, you

02:11:34.079 --> 02:11:37.079
know. Um so um I don't I don't support

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this particular amendment and um

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hopefully many of our all my fellow

02:11:42.239 --> 02:11:44.376
councils except for the mover in second

02:11:44.400 --> 02:11:45.736
would agree with me. Thank you.

02:11:45.760 --> 02:11:47.175
Thank you councel. Council, I say you've

02:11:47.199 --> 02:11:48.376
got your part button pushed but you've

02:11:48.400 --> 02:11:50.215
already spoken. Do you have a question?

02:11:50.239 --> 02:11:51.416
write a reply or

02:11:51.440 --> 02:11:53.575
No, you don't get to write a reply.

02:11:53.599 --> 02:11:55.976
Thank you. Thank you. There are no

02:11:56.000 --> 02:11:57.175
further speakers. I'm going to put the

02:11:57.199 --> 02:12:00.199
amendment, the Yang Yasa amendment. Um,

02:12:00.560 --> 02:12:02.695
all those in favor, please raise your

02:12:02.719 --> 02:12:04.536
hand.

02:12:04.560 --> 02:12:07.560
councellor  Yasa, councellor Elmore,

02:12:07.599 --> 02:12:10.215
councellor Sarcus, councellor Hughes,

02:12:10.239 --> 02:12:13.239
councellor Gar, councellor Yang. Six. All

02:12:14.560 --> 02:12:16.856
those against

02:12:16.880 --> 02:12:18.936
please raise your hand. councellor
02:12:18.960 --> 02:12:21.736
Kristo, councellor Saha, councellor
02:12:21.760 --> 02:12:24.456
Coleman, Councel Hammed, councellor Zaiter,

02:12:24.480 --> 02:12:27.336
councellor Kafrouni Saba, councellor Ramy, and

02:12:27.360 --> 02:12:30.360
councellor Alf. I declare that lost.

02:12:32.480 --> 02:12:35.480
Susan's left. Um, I declare that lost.

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We now go to  the motion. If there's

02:12:38.880 --> 02:12:40.776
no further speakers, right of reply,

02:12:40.800 --> 02:12:42.936
councellor Ramy,

02:12:42.960 --> 02:12:45.960
I will be very quick.

02:12:46.239 --> 02:12:48.536
Just two points. Um I know the amendment

02:12:48.560 --> 02:12:51.560
was lost. Thank God for that.

02:12:52.239 --> 02:12:55.175
One thing people didn't focus on is the

02:12:55.199 --> 02:12:57.575
momentum. Like the the beautiful event

02:12:57.599 --> 02:12:59.175
that we have, the beautiful events we

02:12:59.199 --> 02:13:01.016
have like Diwali and the Ramadan

02:13:01.040 --> 02:13:03.736
festival are growing yearly on an

02:13:03.760 --> 02:13:05.256
exponential basis because of the

02:13:05.280 --> 02:13:07.175
momentum they're building up. People now

02:13:07.199 --> 02:13:09.256
know in Auburn that every year there's

02:13:09.280 --> 02:13:11.575
our annual Ramadan festival. It's on

02:13:11.599 --> 02:13:13.655
it's in the main street of Auburn and

02:13:13.679 --> 02:13:16.679
and you get momentum from repetition.

02:13:16.800 --> 02:13:19.800
Yeah. And then I also really concur. I

02:13:20.639 --> 02:13:23.639
mean for those that know me know while I

02:13:24.079 --> 02:13:26.856
love every faith and and and I I love

02:13:26.880 --> 02:13:28.456
this area because of its

02:13:28.480 --> 02:13:30.376
multiculturalism and it's a melting pot

02:13:30.400 --> 02:13:33.400
for faith. I I am also not going to say

02:13:33.679 --> 02:13:35.496
devout because I probably sin every day.

02:13:35.520 --> 02:13:38.296
But you know I I always lean on my faith

02:13:38.320 --> 02:13:41.320
being Christianity. Um, so it goes

02:13:41.440 --> 02:13:43.256
without saying that while we're not,

02:13:43.280 --> 02:13:45.976
this event is not to shove Christianity

02:13:46.000 --> 02:13:49.000
down the throat of everyone that as a

02:13:49.280 --> 02:13:52.280
council team and staff, we're not afraid

02:13:53.199 --> 02:13:56.199
to have the things that make Easter what

02:13:56.560 --> 02:13:58.055
Easter is about, like we do with

02:13:58.079 --> 02:14:01.079
Ramadan, like we do with Diwali. Um, but

02:14:01.520 --> 02:14:03.095
this event is for everyone. It's for

02:14:03.119 --> 02:14:05.736
families, as I said in my spill. Um but

02:14:05.760 --> 02:14:08.135
I do acknowledge and accept the points

02:14:08.159 --> 02:14:09.896
made by councellor Christou because I I

02:14:09.920 --> 02:14:12.135
wholeheartedly agree with them. So um

02:14:12.159 --> 02:14:13.416
hopefully we can get your support and

02:14:13.440 --> 02:14:15.095
and add another great event to the

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calendar.

02:14:16.159 --> 02:14:18.615
Fantastic. All those um in favor of the

02:14:18.639 --> 02:14:21.496
Ramy Zaiter motion, please say I.

02:14:21.520 --> 02:14:24.520
Anyone against? Look at that. I declare

02:14:24.719 --> 02:14:27.256
it carried. Well done. Um I'm going to

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now move to item 2515, letter of offer

02:14:31.119 --> 02:14:32.936
31.

02:14:32.960 --> 02:14:35.960
 sorry, 151. a big pardon.

02:14:37.119 --> 02:14:40.119
Um, and in doing so, I will note that

02:14:40.159 --> 02:14:43.159
um, item 25157 has been withdrawn. So,

02:14:44.239 --> 02:14:47.016
we're going to go to item 25151.

02:14:47.040 --> 02:14:48.936
Um, and I'll I'll need a mover and a

02:14:48.960 --> 02:14:50.615
second for that item.

02:14:50.639 --> 02:14:53.256
Sorry.

02:14:53.280 --> 02:14:56.280
Yep. So, now we're on 151. And I noted

02:14:56.639 --> 02:14:59.639
that item 157 has been withdrawn in case

02:15:00.159 --> 02:15:03.159
anybody is watching.

02:15:05.360 --> 02:15:08.055
I need a mover and a second folks.

02:15:08.079 --> 02:15:11.079
Moved. councellor Zaiter seconded.

02:15:13.119 --> 02:15:14.856
Seconded. Council. councellor Zaiter, you

02:15:14.880 --> 02:15:15.896
have the floor. Is there anything you'd

02:15:15.920 --> 02:15:16.776
like to

02:15:16.800 --> 02:15:19.256
No.

02:15:19.280 --> 02:15:20.695
Council, is there anything you'd like to

02:15:20.719 --> 02:15:21.736
add?

02:15:21.760 --> 02:15:23.816
Okay. Any other speakers? No. All those

02:15:23.840 --> 02:15:26.135
in favor say I.

02:15:26.159 --> 02:15:28.536
I beg you pardon.

02:15:28.560 --> 02:15:30.776
Division. It is a It is a division. All

02:15:30.800 --> 02:15:32.615
those in favor of the motion, please

02:15:32.639 --> 02:15:35.639
raise your hand.

02:15:39.280 --> 02:15:41.816
Okay,

02:15:41.840 --> 02:15:43.496
there are against. Okay, so I'm going to

02:15:43.520 --> 02:15:45.256
start councellor Christo, councellor
02:15:45.280 --> 02:15:47.416
Sarakis, councellor Esa, councellor Elmo,

02:15:47.440 --> 02:15:49.175
councellor S, councellor common, councellor
02:15:49.199 --> 02:15:51.256
Hannard, councellor Zaiter, councellor
02:15:51.280 --> 02:15:53.655
Kafrouni Saba, councellor Yang, councellor Ramy,

02:15:53.679 --> 02:15:56.679
councellor Alf, um and

02:15:57.199 --> 02:15:59.016
four

02:15:59.040 --> 02:16:02.040
not yet. We are  this is it's on the

02:16:02.480 --> 02:16:05.480
screen. councellor, we're voting on

02:16:08.000 --> 02:16:11.000
number three Centenary Road.

02:16:16.400 --> 02:16:17.976
councellor Garrard. councellor Hughes, are

02:16:18.000 --> 02:16:20.376
you voting for or against the motion?

02:16:20.400 --> 02:16:21.976
Against. councellor Hughes, are you

02:16:22.000 --> 02:16:24.135
voting for or against the motion?

02:16:24.159 --> 02:16:25.496
You're abstaining. So councellor Hughes

02:16:25.520 --> 02:16:27.095
is abstaining. Council Garrard is voting

02:16:27.119 --> 02:16:30.055
against and  an abstension is a vote

02:16:30.079 --> 02:16:33.079
against. I declare that carried.

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We now move to  154.

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Council Saha, you've got the floor.

02:16:42.399 --> 02:16:44.856
Thank you, Mayor. Um this motion will

02:16:44.880 --> 02:16:47.176
make a real difference in how our

02:16:47.200 --> 02:16:50.056
community access and use council hirable

02:16:50.080 --> 02:16:53.080
buildings and facilities. Currently, we

02:16:53.120 --> 02:16:56.120
are using a keybased system and let's be

02:16:56.399 --> 02:16:59.096
honest, it's outdated and causing

02:16:59.120 --> 02:17:02.120
challenges both for the community and

02:17:02.319 --> 02:17:05.096
also for the council. Residents and

02:17:05.120 --> 02:17:07.575
community groups must pick up and return

02:17:07.599 --> 02:17:10.599
keys during business hours which is not

02:17:10.719 --> 02:17:13.719
always convenient. If someone hire a

02:17:14.240 --> 02:17:17.176
hall on weekends or after hours, they

02:17:17.200 --> 02:17:19.976
often need to pay extra for security

02:17:20.000 --> 02:17:23.000
just to open and close the venue. That

02:17:23.359 --> 02:17:26.216
adds cost and complexity.

02:17:26.240 --> 02:17:29.240
If a key is lost, it causes delays,

02:17:29.760 --> 02:17:32.136
requires a call out officer and

02:17:32.160 --> 02:17:34.936
sometimes even means we need to replace

02:17:34.960 --> 02:17:36.936
the locks.

02:17:36.960 --> 02:17:39.960
There are also security risk.

02:17:40.000 --> 02:17:43.000
Lost keys could be copied or misused.

02:17:44.479 --> 02:17:47.479
And from council sides, managing keys

02:17:48.160 --> 02:17:51.016
takes up a lot of stuff time. It's not

02:17:51.040 --> 02:17:52.615
efficient.

02:17:52.639 --> 02:17:55.176
I'm just asking for a report that

02:17:55.200 --> 02:17:58.200
investigates how we could implement an

02:17:58.479 --> 02:18:01.479
electronic access system. something

02:18:02.240 --> 02:18:05.240
that's userfriendly, cost effective, and

02:18:05.920 --> 02:18:08.615
makes things easier for both the

02:18:08.639 --> 02:18:11.639
community and council. Other councils

02:18:11.920 --> 02:18:14.776
and organizations have already moved to

02:18:14.800 --> 02:18:17.800
a smart access systems using codes,

02:18:18.479 --> 02:18:21.479
swipe cards or mobile access and it has

02:18:22.479 --> 02:18:25.479
made hiring much simpler and safer. In

02:18:26.479 --> 02:18:29.415
Cumberland Council, we already using

02:18:29.439 --> 02:18:32.439
electric keypad keypads in our tennis

02:18:32.559 --> 02:18:35.559
courts and use smart mobile apps to turn

02:18:36.479 --> 02:18:39.479
on and off our parks lights.

02:18:41.439 --> 02:18:43.896
Of course, there are things to consider,

02:18:43.920 --> 02:18:46.920
cost, maintenance, and security. And I'm

02:18:47.760 --> 02:18:50.455
not saying we roll it out tomorrow or

02:18:50.479 --> 02:18:53.016
overnight, but we need to understand our

02:18:53.040 --> 02:18:55.896
options. This motion simply asked the

02:18:55.920 --> 02:18:58.920
general manager to prepare a report that

02:18:59.200 --> 02:19:01.495
will outline the operational

02:19:01.519 --> 02:19:03.256
consideration,

02:19:03.280 --> 02:19:06.136
cost-saving opportunities, and potential

02:19:06.160 --> 02:19:08.216
funding options.

02:19:08.240 --> 02:19:10.695
I'm pleased to note that channel manager

02:19:10.719 --> 02:19:12.695
has confirmed that the report can be

02:19:12.719 --> 02:19:15.719
prepared using existing resources.

02:19:16.479 --> 02:19:18.375
Let's make it easier for our community

02:19:18.399 --> 02:19:21.176
to use and enjoy our facilities,

02:19:21.200 --> 02:19:23.655
especially the many community groups who

02:19:23.679 --> 02:19:26.679
rely on them for events, classes like

02:19:27.439 --> 02:19:30.295
language schools and celebrations.

02:19:30.319 --> 02:19:32.455
I ask my fellow counselors to support

02:19:32.479 --> 02:19:35.479
this motion and help us take a step

02:19:35.679 --> 02:19:38.679
towards a more modern, secure and

02:19:39.439 --> 02:19:42.439
efficient access system for our city.

02:19:42.800 --> 02:19:43.976
Thank you.

02:19:44.000 --> 02:19:45.335
Thank you, Council Saha. councellor
02:19:45.359 --> 02:19:48.359
Coleman,

02:19:50.240 --> 02:19:53.240
I'll turn on. Thank you. I um of course

02:19:53.840 --> 02:19:56.696
second the motion. A number of people

02:19:56.720 --> 02:19:59.496
from the community have spoken to me um

02:19:59.520 --> 02:20:01.576
saying that the hire of our facilities

02:20:01.600 --> 02:20:03.656
is quite reasonable, but then they get

02:20:03.680 --> 02:20:06.455
hit with this large call out fee to have

02:20:06.479 --> 02:20:09.335
the door unlocked and then locked again.

02:20:09.359 --> 02:20:12.359
And so I mean it's 2025. We should be

02:20:12.640 --> 02:20:15.415
able to come up with some um IT

02:20:15.439 --> 02:20:17.576
solutions in order to ensure that that

02:20:17.600 --> 02:20:19.576
doesn't happen. It's not 

02:20:19.600 --> 02:20:22.056
cost-effective or efficient for our own

02:20:22.080 --> 02:20:24.375
organization, let alone for the

02:20:24.399 --> 02:20:27.399
community. And so when councellor Saha

02:20:28.160 --> 02:20:30.375
suggested this motion, I wholeheartedly

02:20:30.399 --> 02:20:32.536
supported it and recommend it to

02:20:32.560 --> 02:20:34.216
everybody. Thank you. Thank you,

02:20:34.240 --> 02:20:36.295
councellor. councellor Zaiter,

02:20:36.319 --> 02:20:38.216
mayor. Look, I'd like to thank C council

02:20:38.240 --> 02:20:40.216
Saha for bringing this motion forward.

02:20:40.240 --> 02:20:42.696
It's something that  council's been

02:20:42.720 --> 02:20:44.375
considering for a while. Finally, we got

02:20:44.399 --> 02:20:46.455
a motion before us requesting a report

02:20:46.479 --> 02:20:47.896
that hopefully will lead to the

02:20:47.920 --> 02:20:50.856
implementation of  upgrading all our

02:20:50.880 --> 02:20:53.880
 or  upgrading the accessibility to

02:20:54.560 --> 02:20:57.560
our public spaces. Um I know that  if

02:20:58.640 --> 02:21:00.616
fully implemented it will provide

02:21:00.640 --> 02:21:03.640
substantial efficiencies   and make

02:21:03.840 --> 02:21:06.295
life a lot easier on our on the users of

02:21:06.319 --> 02:21:09.096
our facilities.  no longer do they

02:21:09.120 --> 02:21:11.415
need to no they no longer potentially

02:21:11.439 --> 02:21:13.816
need to come in collect a key  to to

02:21:13.840 --> 02:21:16.840
go and open up a a door and then have to

02:21:16.960 --> 02:21:19.096
come back and return the key. So this

02:21:19.120 --> 02:21:20.776
potentially may provide them the provide

02:21:20.800 --> 02:21:22.295
us with the opportunity to simply send

02:21:22.319 --> 02:21:24.536
them a code onto their phone where they

02:21:24.560 --> 02:21:27.096
can just go in there, put the code in 

02:21:27.120 --> 02:21:28.856
put the code at the door, open the door,

02:21:28.880 --> 02:21:30.616
go in there, access the facility and

02:21:30.640 --> 02:21:32.856
then  close the door after they finish

02:21:32.880 --> 02:21:35.176
and go home. So, um, hopefully we'll get

02:21:35.200 --> 02:21:37.415
the report soon and, , see how, you

02:21:37.439 --> 02:21:38.776
know, hopefully it'll be cost effective.

02:21:38.800 --> 02:21:40.375
We can implement it as soon as possible.

02:21:40.399 --> 02:21:40.776
Thank you.

02:21:40.800 --> 02:21:43.496
Thank you, councellor. councellor Gar,

02:21:43.520 --> 02:21:46.056
a great idea, Madame Chair. Um, and, ,

02:21:46.080 --> 02:21:48.536
we need to do it. Um, I mean, Parameda

02:21:48.560 --> 02:21:50.696
did it 30 years ago, so I I think we

02:21:50.720 --> 02:21:53.720
should be able to catch up to them.

02:21:54.399 --> 02:21:55.896
Fantastic.

02:21:55.920 --> 02:21:57.496
I have no further speakers. councellor
02:21:57.520 --> 02:21:59.415
Saha, would you like a right of reply?

02:21:59.439 --> 02:22:00.936
No.

02:22:00.960 --> 02:22:01.896
For the report.

02:22:01.920 --> 02:22:04.375
Fantastic. Very good. All those in favor

02:22:04.399 --> 02:22:06.616
of the Saha Coleman  motion, please

02:22:06.640 --> 02:22:08.136
say I.

02:22:08.160 --> 02:22:11.160
Anyone against? I declare that carried.

02:22:13.359 --> 02:22:16.359
Moving on to item 158.

02:22:19.120 --> 02:22:22.120
councellor,

02:22:22.479 --> 02:22:22.616
did

02:22:22.640 --> 02:22:25.096
I miss one?

02:22:25.120 --> 02:22:28.120
Oh, I have missed one. 156. 156.

02:22:28.160 --> 02:22:31.160
councellor Garful.

02:22:33.040 --> 02:22:35.976
Madame Mayor, Councellors, um this motion

02:22:36.000 --> 02:22:39.000
in part  is about 102 William Street,

02:22:39.200 --> 02:22:40.776
Granville.

02:22:40.800 --> 02:22:43.800
Um appreciating that  it's also

02:22:45.200 --> 02:22:46.776
mentions

02:22:46.800 --> 02:22:49.576
the  police station, former police

02:22:49.600 --> 02:22:52.600
station in Lidum. Um but to appreciate

02:22:53.760 --> 02:22:56.760
the 102 William Street um and to

02:22:58.080 --> 02:23:00.936
appreciate its significance um we need

02:23:00.960 --> 02:23:03.960
to recognize the contribution of Mr.

02:23:04.240 --> 02:23:06.136
John Knobs.

02:23:06.160 --> 02:23:09.160
This man seems to have possessed the

02:23:09.760 --> 02:23:12.760
physical attributes, the mental capacity

02:23:13.439 --> 02:23:16.136
and the determination needed to

02:23:16.160 --> 02:23:18.856
successfully lead a growing community to

02:23:18.880 --> 02:23:21.880
lead them to civic maturity.

02:23:22.800 --> 02:23:25.096
The selection of the name of Granville

02:23:25.120 --> 02:23:28.120
is attributed to his influence and it's

02:23:28.160 --> 02:23:31.160
also seemed fitting that the press of a

02:23:31.439 --> 02:23:34.375
day dubbed him the father of Granville.

02:23:34.399 --> 02:23:36.136
John Knobs became Granville's first

02:23:36.160 --> 02:23:39.160
mayor in 19 in 1885.

02:23:39.200 --> 02:23:42.200
He would use his education and expertise

02:23:42.399 --> 02:23:45.399
in handling people prevailing them to

02:23:45.680 --> 02:23:48.375
direct their their energies towards the

02:23:48.399 --> 02:23:51.335
the greater community. and to greater

02:23:51.359 --> 02:23:54.136
community good. In a short time, he

02:23:54.160 --> 02:23:57.160
created the  help responsible for the

02:23:57.280 --> 02:24:00.216
new post office, the local branch, a

02:24:00.240 --> 02:24:03.240
bank,  fire brigade, police station, a

02:24:04.960 --> 02:24:07.016
technical college. Together with this,

02:24:07.040 --> 02:24:09.576
he had a distinguished career as a

02:24:09.600 --> 02:24:11.656
member of parliament.

02:24:11.680 --> 02:24:14.680
So in acknowledging in acknowledging

02:24:14.880 --> 02:24:17.816
that the house that he lived in Eve Eve

02:24:17.840 --> 02:24:20.840
Sham  circa 1881 is the house he built

02:24:23.359 --> 02:24:26.359
and that house still stands today. Eve

02:24:27.120 --> 02:24:30.120
Sham is a a Saxon name from Bushist

02:24:31.359 --> 02:24:34.359
meaning meadow.

02:24:34.560 --> 02:24:36.536
We're graced today to have this building

02:24:36.560 --> 02:24:39.496
still stand

02:24:39.520 --> 02:24:42.216
intact. It's an intact example of an

02:24:42.240 --> 02:24:44.856
early singlestory Victorian villa with

02:24:44.880 --> 02:24:47.016
an established landscape setting which

02:24:47.040 --> 02:24:49.576
attributes to the aesthetic values of

02:24:49.600 --> 02:24:51.656
the site and the heritage values of

02:24:51.680 --> 02:24:53.415
Granville.

02:24:53.439 --> 02:24:55.816
The report says to council the heritage

02:24:55.840 --> 02:24:58.840
report that it's a rare example of its

02:24:59.280 --> 02:25:01.736
type in Granville. In fact, it is

02:25:01.760 --> 02:25:04.136
Granville's oldest house.

02:25:04.160 --> 02:25:06.375
Historically the building relates to the

02:25:06.399 --> 02:25:09.176
drainwell estate associated with G and

02:25:09.200 --> 02:25:11.736
Blackel.

02:25:11.760 --> 02:25:14.056
The attributes of this site are further

02:25:14.080 --> 02:25:17.016
promoted with council's recent heritage

02:25:17.040 --> 02:25:20.040
leap. And in that leap and the in the 

02:25:22.080 --> 02:25:23.816
the document that came before council

02:25:23.840 --> 02:25:26.136
when all houses were being reviewed, it

02:25:26.160 --> 02:25:29.096
does give the the opportunity for the

02:25:29.120 --> 02:25:31.415
place to be um to acknowledge  some

02:25:31.439 --> 02:25:34.056
sort of state heritage significance, but

02:25:34.080 --> 02:25:35.656
we haven't resolved to go down that

02:25:35.680 --> 02:25:37.415
track. And that's what part of this

02:25:37.439 --> 02:25:40.375
resolution  in part is attempting to

02:25:40.399 --> 02:25:42.216
do tonight.

02:25:42.240 --> 02:25:45.240
Um the site is adjacent to a um a

02:25:46.319 --> 02:25:49.016
conservation zone which further promotes

02:25:49.040 --> 02:25:52.040
the heritage values of Granville. Um I

02:25:53.359 --> 02:25:55.415
suppose the the house in the in its

02:25:55.439 --> 02:25:57.576
stature within the community, its

02:25:57.600 --> 02:26:00.600
history  highlights the need to

02:26:01.280 --> 02:26:04.280
preserve to preserve this property. Um,

02:26:06.240 --> 02:26:08.056
generations have gone and I think we've

02:26:08.080 --> 02:26:09.816
taken the house for granted for many

02:26:09.840 --> 02:26:12.696
years, but the time has come, I think,

02:26:12.720 --> 02:26:15.720
for us to do something as a council. I I

02:26:16.399 --> 02:26:19.096
hope that we can we can achieve the

02:26:19.120 --> 02:26:22.120
opportunity to um have it blessed with a

02:26:22.160 --> 02:26:25.160
heritage significance  status.

02:26:25.520 --> 02:26:27.256
Um, I would like to see the house in

02:26:27.280 --> 02:26:29.415
public ownership and I'm I'm sure

02:26:29.439 --> 02:26:32.439
everyone that appreciates the the

02:26:32.640 --> 02:26:33.976
history of Granville and the heritage

02:26:34.000 --> 02:26:37.000
that it presently has um would also feel

02:26:37.520 --> 02:26:39.656
feel the same

02:26:39.680 --> 02:26:42.680
in a in another way. the um the Lidcom

02:26:43.840 --> 02:26:46.840
old police station  has an in has a a

02:26:47.120 --> 02:26:50.120
great history understanding that  it

02:26:50.240 --> 02:26:52.216
might be one of one of its kind or few

02:26:52.240 --> 02:26:55.240
of its kind in Sydney but  again our

02:26:56.160 --> 02:26:57.736
acknowledgements through the heritage

02:26:57.760 --> 02:27:00.375
documentation gives us the opportunity

02:27:00.399 --> 02:27:02.936
also to promote estate significance for

02:27:02.960 --> 02:27:05.016
that building. I know we have been

02:27:05.040 --> 02:27:07.656
attempts to purchase it in the past um

02:27:07.680 --> 02:27:09.736
and  I think I'm up to speed with all

02:27:09.760 --> 02:27:11.496
of that but with

02:27:11.520 --> 02:27:14.375
again um trying to this this resolution

02:27:14.399 --> 02:27:17.399
attempts to have a a state significant

02:27:18.080 --> 02:27:20.216
tag placed on that building as well. And

02:27:20.240 --> 02:27:23.240
I the resolution requests council to 

02:27:24.640 --> 02:27:27.256
 to study the background to these two

02:27:27.280 --> 02:27:30.216
two  buildings and to promote it in

02:27:30.240 --> 02:27:31.656
such a way that we may be able to

02:27:31.680 --> 02:27:34.536
achieve that outcome.

02:27:34.560 --> 02:27:37.335
Thank you councellor Councelmore.

02:27:37.359 --> 02:27:40.359
Mayor, um I support the I support the um

02:27:42.399 --> 02:27:44.295
 what's behind this motion, but I

02:27:44.319 --> 02:27:46.295
can't really support council purchasing

02:27:46.319 --> 02:27:49.319
these two properties. Um the I believe

02:27:50.080 --> 02:27:53.080
that the um police station at Lincoln

02:27:53.120 --> 02:27:56.120
went before the  property committee a

02:27:56.319 --> 02:27:57.816
little while ago and the property

02:27:57.840 --> 02:28:00.840
committee recommend that council not

02:28:00.960 --> 02:28:03.960
purchase that property that they

02:28:05.280 --> 02:28:08.280
can can I have a 

02:28:08.399 --> 02:28:09.656
can can I guess more information on that

02:28:09.680 --> 02:28:10.856
through through the acting general

02:28:10.880 --> 02:28:11.335
manager?

02:28:11.359 --> 02:28:14.359
Yeah. For through you may

02:28:15.760 --> 02:28:18.760
through you may

02:28:20.880 --> 02:28:23.880
Director, are you

02:28:25.439 --> 02:28:28.439
through you? Mayor, councel Elmore. The

02:28:28.880 --> 02:28:31.096
Litkum, the former Litkum police station

02:28:31.120 --> 02:28:33.176
went through the property committee

02:28:33.200 --> 02:28:35.656
council subsequently gave a delegation

02:28:35.680 --> 02:28:37.256
to the general manager to make an offer

02:28:37.280 --> 02:28:39.016
on the property in accordance with a

02:28:39.040 --> 02:28:42.040
valuation report.  council's

02:28:42.160 --> 02:28:43.976
administration did that. However, the

02:28:44.000 --> 02:28:47.000
offer to the owner didn't meet their

02:28:47.200 --> 02:28:49.096
expectations and as a result, council

02:28:49.120 --> 02:28:51.096
stopped issuing the matter.

02:28:51.120 --> 02:28:53.415
Thank you. And um I also know the

02:28:53.439 --> 02:28:54.936
significance of what happened to William

02:28:54.960 --> 02:28:56.216
Street. Granville is a beautiful old

02:28:56.240 --> 02:28:58.536
home um of John Mobs and when you drive

02:28:58.560 --> 02:29:01.016
down Hutcherson Street  on the William

02:29:01.040 --> 02:29:02.295
Street, it's right in front of you. It's

02:29:02.319 --> 02:29:04.455
a great it's a beautiful old home. But

02:29:04.479 --> 02:29:06.455
um what actually what concerns me the

02:29:06.479 --> 02:29:09.479
most is that um is if council purchase

02:29:11.040 --> 02:29:12.295
these properties, what are they going to

02:29:12.319 --> 02:29:14.295
do with them? I was talking to a a

02:29:14.319 --> 02:29:16.696
significant property owner around um

02:29:16.720 --> 02:29:19.576
around Litkim about the old  police

02:29:19.600 --> 02:29:22.600
station at Lickham and um they weren't

02:29:22.640 --> 02:29:23.816
interested in purchasing because they

02:29:23.840 --> 02:29:25.656
didn't have any use for it. And when I

02:29:25.680 --> 02:29:28.616
um and the same with with 102 William

02:29:28.640 --> 02:29:30.776
Street when I live across the road

02:29:30.800 --> 02:29:32.776
there's an old church that Colro Council

02:29:32.800 --> 02:29:35.096
purchased many years ago. Um I wasn't on

02:29:35.120 --> 02:29:36.455
council land. It was probably a good

02:29:36.479 --> 02:29:38.856
decision at the time. I I understand

02:29:38.880 --> 02:29:41.176
from  I understand the um that old

02:29:41.200 --> 02:29:44.056
church was purchased to for a a parking

02:29:44.080 --> 02:29:46.295
to to provide parking or something or

02:29:46.319 --> 02:29:48.616
anyway 12 years later just fallen to

02:29:48.640 --> 02:29:50.375
pieces. So we really got to think about

02:29:50.399 --> 02:29:51.496
these things when we purchase these

02:29:51.520 --> 02:29:52.536
properties what we're going to use them

02:29:52.560 --> 02:29:54.776
for otherwise otherwise they're they're

02:29:54.800 --> 02:29:57.736
a burden on the on the um on on the rate

02:29:57.760 --> 02:29:59.656
page because council has to has to keep

02:29:59.680 --> 02:30:02.295
them maintained and we don't get any

02:30:02.319 --> 02:30:04.936
income from them. The other item about

02:30:04.960 --> 02:30:07.096
putting the um those two properties on

02:30:07.120 --> 02:30:10.120
the state  state um heritage register

02:30:11.760 --> 02:30:13.496
um through you mayor. Can I get some

02:30:13.520 --> 02:30:15.335
information about how how council does

02:30:15.359 --> 02:30:16.856
that? I think I was understand you need

02:30:16.880 --> 02:30:18.536
to go through the um heritage committee

02:30:18.560 --> 02:30:20.056
and the heritage committee recommend

02:30:20.080 --> 02:30:23.080
makes recommendations and and um I'm not

02:30:23.439 --> 02:30:26.439
quite sure the process of of the state

02:30:26.960 --> 02:30:29.960
government putting um the these  two

02:30:30.000 --> 02:30:31.656
properties on the state register. I'd

02:30:31.680 --> 02:30:33.256
just like to know what what the um

02:30:33.280 --> 02:30:35.656
process is there for you may if I if I

02:30:35.680 --> 02:30:37.976
can

02:30:38.000 --> 02:30:41.000
through the acting  general manager

02:30:43.200 --> 02:30:45.016
through you may I'll just pass that

02:30:45.040 --> 02:30:48.040
question through to director Cavlla.

02:30:48.399 --> 02:30:51.176
Okay director Cavlla. Yeah, through the

02:30:51.200 --> 02:30:52.616
mayor counselor. In terms of the state

02:30:52.640 --> 02:30:54.776
heritage register, we'll need to have a

02:30:54.800 --> 02:30:56.776
heritage advisor um provide an

02:30:56.800 --> 02:30:59.800
assessment um against the criteria to

02:31:00.000 --> 02:31:02.696
confirm its level of state significance

02:31:02.720 --> 02:31:04.936
and then based on that advice, they'll

02:31:04.960 --> 02:31:06.295
then be presented to the state

02:31:06.319 --> 02:31:08.136
government agency for them to consider

02:31:08.160 --> 02:31:10.856
and make a deliberation on that.

02:31:10.880 --> 02:31:12.776
That's not only council can do that. as

02:31:12.800 --> 02:31:15.800
member of the public or anybody can um

02:31:15.920 --> 02:31:18.056
can make a submission to the state

02:31:18.080 --> 02:31:19.816
heritage register about about

02:31:19.840 --> 02:31:22.295
registering putting a a particular

02:31:22.319 --> 02:31:23.816
proper on the state heritage register.

02:31:23.840 --> 02:31:25.736
Am I am I correct there?

02:31:25.760 --> 02:31:27.656
Um through the council that's my

02:31:27.680 --> 02:31:29.736
understanding it's the case but there is

02:31:29.760 --> 02:31:32.216
a reliance on expert heritage advice to

02:31:32.240 --> 02:31:34.616
confirm its level of significance. So

02:31:34.640 --> 02:31:36.696
typically councils will be doing that

02:31:36.720 --> 02:31:38.136
because they have the resources to

02:31:38.160 --> 02:31:40.056
obtain that expert although other

02:31:40.080 --> 02:31:43.080
parties um are able to do that too.

02:31:43.920 --> 02:31:46.920
Well, thanks thanks for that. But um

02:31:47.280 --> 02:31:49.496
the  well we missed out apparently we

02:31:49.520 --> 02:31:52.136
missed out on the property at the old 

02:31:52.160 --> 02:31:55.096
police station if I if  if I got that

02:31:55.120 --> 02:31:58.120
if um if I got the process correct is

02:31:58.319 --> 02:32:00.696
that  we council authorizes general

02:32:00.720 --> 02:32:02.136
managers to purchase that property.

02:32:02.160 --> 02:32:04.936
council made an offer and that offer was

02:32:04.960 --> 02:32:07.960
refused. So um so so unless unless 

02:32:09.760 --> 02:32:12.760
the property sold to a to another party

02:32:13.680 --> 02:32:15.736
um and we and council goes to the state

02:32:15.760 --> 02:32:18.136
government or the federal government um

02:32:18.160 --> 02:32:20.375
asking for money to  purchase these

02:32:20.399 --> 02:32:23.399
properties and I I asked and I was at um

02:32:23.439 --> 02:32:26.216
Auburn about   12 months ago or

02:32:26.240 --> 02:32:28.295
maybe 18 months ago. We had a treasurer,

02:32:28.319 --> 02:32:30.216
the New South Wales treasure there, and

02:32:30.240 --> 02:32:33.240
I um I reminded the treasurer that we've

02:32:33.439 --> 02:32:34.936
got a lot of work to do around Duck

02:32:34.960 --> 02:32:36.776
River. And he he blatantly said to me,

02:32:36.800 --> 02:32:38.216
"What are you asking for money, are

02:32:38.240 --> 02:32:41.240
you?" So, um I wish  I wish council

02:32:41.600 --> 02:32:43.016
luck with trying to get some money at

02:32:43.040 --> 02:32:46.040
the state government and the um and the

02:32:46.240 --> 02:32:47.816
and the federal government to 

02:32:47.840 --> 02:32:50.455
purchase the property that's probably

02:32:50.479 --> 02:32:53.016
that's probably  won't provide any

02:32:53.040 --> 02:32:55.736
commercial benefit to us. It's just it

02:32:55.760 --> 02:32:57.896
that it it may it may have a a

02:32:57.920 --> 02:33:00.920
significant historical um importance to

02:33:02.399 --> 02:33:05.399
to to council. But um the but 102

02:33:06.399 --> 02:33:07.496
Williams Street has been there a long

02:33:07.520 --> 02:33:09.256
time. I think it's probably there now. I

02:33:09.280 --> 02:33:10.616
don't know if it's if it's had all the

02:33:10.640 --> 02:33:13.176
junk cleaned out the front of it, but um

02:33:13.200 --> 02:33:14.696
it it'll be there for quite a while if

02:33:14.720 --> 02:33:16.295
our council need to purchase it. So

02:33:16.319 --> 02:33:18.856
that's why I speak against the motion.

02:33:18.880 --> 02:33:20.616
Thank you, councellor.  councellor
02:33:20.640 --> 02:33:21.816
Hughes.

02:33:21.840 --> 02:33:23.096
Yes.

02:33:23.120 --> 02:33:25.896
directly after councellor Gar ideally.

02:33:25.920 --> 02:33:28.536
Anyway, the reason that we have put this

02:33:28.560 --> 02:33:30.536
forward, councellor Gard did start this

02:33:30.560 --> 02:33:33.560
at the outset. They are locally listed,

02:33:34.479 --> 02:33:36.375
but of course we'd have more opportunity

02:33:36.399 --> 02:33:38.375
of being able to purchase them if it is

02:33:38.399 --> 02:33:41.335
at the state level as far as it being on

02:33:41.359 --> 02:33:43.976
some a state heritage significance at

02:33:44.000 --> 02:33:47.000
that point in time. Now the former

02:33:47.680 --> 02:33:50.680
licom police station does have um local

02:33:51.840 --> 02:33:53.896
significance for its history in the

02:33:53.920 --> 02:33:55.736
aesthetics and the representative

02:33:55.760 --> 02:33:58.760
heritage values. There was three I think

02:34:00.319 --> 02:34:03.319
in the whole Sydney area that was built

02:34:03.359 --> 02:34:05.976
on this same fashion and it's just short

02:34:06.000 --> 02:34:08.375
of a hundred years old and I think it

02:34:08.399 --> 02:34:11.399
was 1928 that it was built and that the

02:34:11.920 --> 02:34:14.856
items pro provide in the evidence of the

02:34:14.880 --> 02:34:17.576
early 20th century development of the

02:34:17.600 --> 02:34:19.976
town center and the local administrative

02:34:20.000 --> 02:34:22.375
justice system because of course we used

02:34:22.399 --> 02:34:25.399
to have a um court office next door as

02:34:25.600 --> 02:34:27.576
well over time. That's where we've now

02:34:27.600 --> 02:34:29.576
got units. There's 70 of them and

02:34:29.600 --> 02:34:31.415
they're vacant because there's a problem

02:34:31.439 --> 02:34:34.056
there has been consistently. Pigeons

02:34:34.080 --> 02:34:37.080
have a lovely time there. The building

02:34:37.600 --> 02:34:40.536
the building the the public state of um

02:34:40.560 --> 02:34:43.560
the police station  is as I said just

02:34:43.920 --> 02:34:45.976
third of that same premises that was

02:34:46.000 --> 02:34:47.976
constructed by the New South Wales

02:34:48.000 --> 02:34:50.375
police. So it is very important the

02:34:50.399 --> 02:34:53.256
aesthetics of that in that way. The

02:34:53.280 --> 02:34:55.816
intention of it and when it had been put

02:34:55.840 --> 02:34:57.816
forward for the general manager to try

02:34:57.840 --> 02:34:59.976
and push out which he did as I

02:35:00.000 --> 02:35:03.000
understood it um was to be able to keep

02:35:03.760 --> 02:35:06.760
history of an area. Once it's gone it's

02:35:07.439 --> 02:35:10.439
gone. So we need retention of some of

02:35:10.720 --> 02:35:13.256
these sites so people understand what

02:35:13.280 --> 02:35:15.496
has happened over their years of an

02:35:15.520 --> 02:35:18.520
area. We had quite a few I recollect

02:35:19.040 --> 02:35:22.040
older areas, older sites that had been

02:35:24.080 --> 02:35:26.216
on government-based council based

02:35:26.240 --> 02:35:28.616
example and they were in very good tech

02:35:28.640 --> 02:35:30.216
but of course they got sold. They then

02:35:30.240 --> 02:35:32.136
get demolished and then that's it. The

02:35:32.160 --> 02:35:34.536
history is gone. Once it's gone, it's

02:35:34.560 --> 02:35:37.560
gone. Now that particular site at the

02:35:37.680 --> 02:35:40.680
time it was about obviously accessing it

02:35:40.960 --> 02:35:43.576
at the outset if possible purchasing it

02:35:43.600 --> 02:35:45.896
and then the intention of course was to

02:35:45.920 --> 02:35:48.920
use it perhaps as a small community room

02:35:49.200 --> 02:35:52.200
to highlight history of an area might

02:35:52.479 --> 02:35:54.295
have might be able to have a council

02:35:54.319 --> 02:35:56.455
staff there or whatever but we can't

02:35:56.479 --> 02:35:59.176
make a lot of large large formal

02:35:59.200 --> 02:36:00.936
planning about things if we can't even

02:36:00.960 --> 02:36:03.896
put it at the outset to be able to

02:36:03.920 --> 02:36:06.295
hopefully access So the intention of

02:36:06.319 --> 02:36:09.319
course is to get the state understanding

02:36:10.080 --> 02:36:13.080
and significance because it's really so

02:36:13.520 --> 02:36:16.136
heartbreaking to see all other buildings

02:36:16.160 --> 02:36:19.160
just be flopped off and then sold off

02:36:19.200 --> 02:36:21.176
and that sort of thing. No interest

02:36:21.200 --> 02:36:24.200
level whatsoever. that particular one um

02:36:24.640 --> 02:36:26.696
that particular police station was built

02:36:26.720 --> 02:36:29.096
cuz the one that was  the closest by

02:36:29.120 --> 02:36:32.120
was only a couple of blocks away and um

02:36:32.640 --> 02:36:35.640
there had only been one one detached

02:36:35.760 --> 02:36:37.656
cell. So when they had females as well

02:36:37.680 --> 02:36:39.896
as males as people in a police station,

02:36:39.920 --> 02:36:41.256
they used to have to redirect the

02:36:41.280 --> 02:36:43.736
females um to Paramata because they

02:36:43.760 --> 02:36:45.096
didn't have the space for it. And that

02:36:45.120 --> 02:36:47.335
is why that one was actually purchased

02:36:47.359 --> 02:36:49.736
so sorry built per se. And that of

02:36:49.760 --> 02:36:51.496
course the information is all in the

02:36:51.520 --> 02:36:53.335
historic books that we've got. It's got

02:36:53.359 --> 02:36:55.736
the information there in the in the

02:36:55.760 --> 02:36:57.335
libertary

02:36:57.359 --> 02:37:00.359
liberty planes books of of Orbin.

02:37:00.399 --> 02:37:02.216
Equally too when councellor Gar

02:37:02.240 --> 02:37:05.240
particularly had spoken about John Knobs

02:37:06.080 --> 02:37:08.375
um it even mentions that a progress

02:37:08.399 --> 02:37:11.399
association was formed very actively in

02:37:11.840 --> 02:37:14.840
1886 and job John Knobs was part of

02:37:15.280 --> 02:37:17.976
that. So inclusiveness of that

02:37:18.000 --> 02:37:21.000
particular site again for the community

02:37:21.200 --> 02:37:23.816
was ideal and the same thing as the

02:37:23.840 --> 02:37:26.840
circumstances once it's gone it's gone.

02:37:27.520 --> 02:37:29.816
So if we don't put this forward don't

02:37:29.840 --> 02:37:32.136
complain about it moving further down

02:37:32.160 --> 02:37:33.816
the track because the same sort of

02:37:33.840 --> 02:37:36.840
situation it's extremely sad when people

02:37:36.880 --> 02:37:38.936
do not understand the area. They say

02:37:38.960 --> 02:37:40.455
they've lived there all their life,

02:37:40.479 --> 02:37:42.295
etc., etc., which I understand, but

02:37:42.319 --> 02:37:44.856
you've got nothing to show the heritage

02:37:44.880 --> 02:37:47.816
and the importance thereof of of that.

02:37:47.840 --> 02:37:50.216
And and if the information is there and

02:37:50.240 --> 02:37:52.375
the current

02:37:52.399 --> 02:37:55.016
um that the way that it is currently

02:37:55.040 --> 02:37:58.040
that the situation of it isn't too bad

02:37:58.160 --> 02:38:00.295
at all, it is quite usable. Yes, there'd

02:38:00.319 --> 02:38:02.295
always be a few slight changes that's

02:38:02.319 --> 02:38:04.375
needed, etc.

02:38:04.399 --> 02:38:06.616
It's okay at the moment. So you don't

02:38:06.640 --> 02:38:08.295
want just things to get dumped down

02:38:08.319 --> 02:38:10.295
completely. So then it is too too

02:38:10.319 --> 02:38:12.536
difficult to be able to bring it up to

02:38:12.560 --> 02:38:14.056
what it should be as standard

02:38:14.080 --> 02:38:17.016
appropriateness and so forth. We need to

02:38:17.040 --> 02:38:19.816
step forward to look after our areas and

02:38:19.840 --> 02:38:22.056
try and highlight these things for all

02:38:22.080 --> 02:38:24.856
the people who live there.

02:38:24.880 --> 02:38:27.880
Thank you councellor councellor Zaiter.

02:38:28.000 --> 02:38:30.136
Just  through the acting general

02:38:30.160 --> 02:38:32.536
manager to the relevant council officer.

02:38:32.560 --> 02:38:33.576
I just got a couple of questions

02:38:33.600 --> 02:38:36.600
regarding  the heritage

02:38:36.720 --> 02:38:39.720
um  significance of these two

02:38:40.479 --> 02:38:43.479
properties. Can I

02:38:44.240 --> 02:38:46.455
you to director Cavllo?

02:38:46.479 --> 02:38:49.335
Thank you, Actton GM. Um Director

02:38:49.359 --> 02:38:51.415
Cavllo, it's my understanding these two

02:38:51.439 --> 02:38:52.856
properties are currently locally

02:38:52.880 --> 02:38:54.375
significant heritage items. Is that

02:38:54.399 --> 02:38:54.856
correct?

02:38:54.880 --> 02:38:57.096
Um for me, that's correct. the

02:38:57.120 --> 02:38:59.335
restrictions placed on these items as

02:38:59.359 --> 02:39:01.096
locally significant heritage items.

02:39:01.120 --> 02:39:03.256
Would they be any different if these two

02:39:03.280 --> 02:39:06.280
properties were also  listed as state

02:39:06.560 --> 02:39:07.976
 significant?

02:39:08.000 --> 02:39:10.136
Um through the mayor, the heritage list

02:39:10.160 --> 02:39:12.136
is more about significance. So the

02:39:12.160 --> 02:39:14.616
current leap has state and local items.

02:39:14.640 --> 02:39:16.856
So whether it's state or local wouldn't

02:39:16.880 --> 02:39:19.880
impact on its listing or what controls

02:39:20.319 --> 02:39:22.136
are on the site for development, but

02:39:22.160 --> 02:39:23.896
it'll just reflect the level of heritage

02:39:23.920 --> 02:39:25.016
significance. that will be the

02:39:25.040 --> 02:39:26.136
difference.

02:39:26.160 --> 02:39:29.160
So, so in terms of what can be done to

02:39:29.439 --> 02:39:32.295
these properties, there's no additional

02:39:32.319 --> 02:39:35.319
restrictions placed on there would be no

02:39:35.760 --> 02:39:38.216
additional restrictions to be placed on

02:39:38.240 --> 02:39:39.976
these properties if they were deemed to

02:39:40.000 --> 02:39:42.455
be state heritage.

02:39:42.479 --> 02:39:44.295
Um for the mayor definitely my

02:39:44.319 --> 02:39:45.176
understanding is there wouldn't be

02:39:45.200 --> 02:39:47.176
additional restrictions but with the

02:39:47.200 --> 02:39:48.776
significance of the items there might be

02:39:48.800 --> 02:39:50.936
more maintenance requirements or

02:39:50.960 --> 02:39:52.455
management plans around it but there

02:39:52.479 --> 02:39:53.816
wouldn't be any additional restrictions

02:39:53.840 --> 02:39:55.496
per se on what wouldn't happen on the

02:39:55.520 --> 02:39:56.295
site.

02:39:56.319 --> 02:39:58.696
Okay. So based on the current 

02:39:58.720 --> 02:40:01.576
heritage listing can these items be

02:40:01.600 --> 02:40:03.736
demolished?

02:40:03.760 --> 02:40:05.576
Um through the mayor no.

02:40:05.600 --> 02:40:08.375
Okay. So, , listing these estate

02:40:08.399 --> 02:40:11.399
heritage items would not necessarily,

02:40:12.000 --> 02:40:13.896
, protect him any further than what

02:40:13.920 --> 02:40:15.816
they currently protected as they are at

02:40:15.840 --> 02:40:17.415
the moment as being local. That'd be

02:40:17.439 --> 02:40:18.295
correct.

02:40:18.319 --> 02:40:21.176
Um, may deputy may be just looking at

02:40:21.200 --> 02:40:22.455
his significance would be at a high

02:40:22.479 --> 02:40:23.976
level of significance compared to local

02:40:24.000 --> 02:40:26.455
if it was deemed as a state item.

02:40:26.479 --> 02:40:29.335
Okay. So, thank you. Thank you. I'll

02:40:29.359 --> 02:40:31.736
I'll start my speech. , Madame Mayor,

02:40:31.760 --> 02:40:34.136
based on those responses,

02:40:34.160 --> 02:40:35.576
these two properties are currently

02:40:35.600 --> 02:40:37.656
listed to listed as local significant

02:40:37.680 --> 02:40:40.680
heritage items. , for us to go and um

02:40:41.680 --> 02:40:43.576


02:40:43.600 --> 02:40:46.600
seek their their seek to place them at

02:40:47.760 --> 02:40:50.056
 at the state under the state heritage

02:40:50.080 --> 02:40:51.415
register. That's not going to provide

02:40:51.439 --> 02:40:53.415
them any additional protection. They are

02:40:53.439 --> 02:40:55.736
currently protected. councellor Hughes is

02:40:55.760 --> 02:40:56.696
talking about these properties

02:40:56.720 --> 02:40:58.136
potentially being knocked down. Well,

02:40:58.160 --> 02:41:00.216
that can't happen because they are local

02:41:00.240 --> 02:41:01.656
heritage items. They cannot be knocked

02:41:01.680 --> 02:41:04.680
down. The the the the

02:41:05.280 --> 02:41:07.576
owners of these properties are obliged

02:41:07.600 --> 02:41:10.216
to abide by the restrictions placed on

02:41:10.240 --> 02:41:13.240
them by the um  by the mere fact that

02:41:14.319 --> 02:41:15.976
they're locally significant heritage

02:41:16.000 --> 02:41:17.736
items.

02:41:17.760 --> 02:41:20.760
um the the inclusion of these particular

02:41:22.640 --> 02:41:24.696
properties under the state heritage

02:41:24.720 --> 02:41:27.720
regist doesn't as as noted by by

02:41:27.920 --> 02:41:29.256
director Cavalo doesn't provide them

02:41:29.280 --> 02:41:31.576
with any additional protections.

02:41:31.600 --> 02:41:34.600
The idea that we are to simply pursue

02:41:36.080 --> 02:41:38.056
the purchase of these two items without

02:41:38.080 --> 02:41:40.216
even considering what these items are

02:41:40.240 --> 02:41:43.240
worth, they could be worth $20 million.

02:41:43.280 --> 02:41:45.335
No one's bothered to actually ask that

02:41:45.359 --> 02:41:47.415
question. It's simply no problem. It's

02:41:47.439 --> 02:41:50.439
not my money.  it's it's it's the 

02:41:50.960 --> 02:41:52.536
it's the residents money. Who cares how

02:41:52.560 --> 02:41:53.816
much they have to pay potentially to buy

02:41:53.840 --> 02:41:55.016
these properties? I just want them to be

02:41:55.040 --> 02:41:56.136
purchased. So, I'm going to put

02:41:56.160 --> 02:41:57.415
something in the motion about purchas

02:41:57.439 --> 02:41:59.656
purchasing these properties. Well, I

02:41:59.680 --> 02:42:02.136
have a reasonable idea what the Litam 

02:42:02.160 --> 02:42:04.536
police station is worth. And I've also

02:42:04.560 --> 02:42:06.536
got a reasonable idea of potentially

02:42:06.560 --> 02:42:08.696
what the maintenance may the cost of

02:42:08.720 --> 02:42:10.616
maintenance that may be required to get

02:42:10.640 --> 02:42:13.640
it up to a  reasonable usage. And it's

02:42:14.479 --> 02:42:16.776
substantial. those questions should have

02:42:16.800 --> 02:42:18.375
been asked. They have not been asked by

02:42:18.399 --> 02:42:21.016
the movers of this this motion. And it's

02:42:21.040 --> 02:42:22.616
 kind of sad because it just tells you

02:42:22.640 --> 02:42:24.216
how much they really don't care about

02:42:24.240 --> 02:42:26.936
the the the the person of the residents.

02:42:26.960 --> 02:42:28.696
They just all they want is a particular

02:42:28.720 --> 02:42:30.375
result, but it doesn't matter how they

02:42:30.399 --> 02:42:32.776
get there.  and I can tell you it's in

02:42:32.800 --> 02:42:35.496
the millions. There is no need for us to

02:42:35.520 --> 02:42:37.016
purchase these properties. They are

02:42:37.040 --> 02:42:38.936
protected by the mere fact that they are

02:42:38.960 --> 02:42:41.496
local heritage items. The owners of

02:42:41.520 --> 02:42:42.776
these properties are have got

02:42:42.800 --> 02:42:44.936
restrictions upon them. they cannot do

02:42:44.960 --> 02:42:46.776
they have to do certain things in

02:42:46.800 --> 02:42:47.816
respect to the properties and there were

02:42:47.840 --> 02:42:49.016
certain things they can't do to these

02:42:49.040 --> 02:42:51.016
properties and those restrictions aren't

02:42:51.040 --> 02:42:53.176
any different if they're listed as state

02:42:53.200 --> 02:42:56.200
heritage so um I am against this motion

02:43:00.640 --> 02:43:03.640
thank you councellor put the motion

02:43:04.319 --> 02:43:07.319
242 against we have 242 against we have

02:43:08.000 --> 02:43:11.000
all those in favor of putting

02:43:13.040 --> 02:43:14.536
I I need to determine whether we're

02:43:14.560 --> 02:43:16.136
going to put whether people want to put

02:43:16.160 --> 02:43:17.256
the motion.

02:43:17.280 --> 02:43:19.496
All those in favor I've got a motion I

02:43:19.520 --> 02:43:21.576
need to deal with council. All those in

02:43:21.600 --> 02:43:24.136
favor of putting the motion please raise

02:43:24.160 --> 02:43:26.776
your hand. councellor Yesa councellor
02:43:26.800 --> 02:43:28.295
Elmore, councellor Saha, councellor
02:43:28.319 --> 02:43:30.616
Coleman, councellor Hammed, councellor
02:43:30.640 --> 02:43:33.096
Zaiter, councellor Kafrroni and councellor
02:43:33.120 --> 02:43:35.736
Ramy. All those against councellor
02:43:35.760 --> 02:43:37.256
Christo, councellor Hughes, councellor
02:43:37.280 --> 02:43:39.736
Gar.

02:43:39.760 --> 02:43:42.760
I declare that um

02:43:43.279 --> 02:43:45.096
I declare that carried and we go to

02:43:45.120 --> 02:43:48.120
right of reply

02:43:55.120 --> 02:43:57.415
the resolution

02:43:57.439 --> 02:44:00.439
in the resolution I've tried to be

02:44:01.279 --> 02:44:04.279
as  specific as possible  covering

02:44:04.319 --> 02:44:07.319
all all matters um it it attempts to

02:44:08.399 --> 02:44:10.295
look at

02:44:10.319 --> 02:44:12.375
yes the possible purchase the possible

02:44:12.399 --> 02:44:15.399
purchase. It seeks to look at state or

02:44:15.680 --> 02:44:18.680
federal  in  intervention

02:44:19.120 --> 02:44:22.120
financially into any future decision.

02:44:23.600 --> 02:44:25.816
It it it promotes heavily the

02:44:25.840 --> 02:44:28.840
development of a strategy which would 

02:44:29.040 --> 02:44:32.040
develop a state heritage  register

02:44:32.560 --> 02:44:34.056
listing.

02:44:34.080 --> 02:44:35.656
um

02:44:35.680 --> 02:44:38.680
those matters are important and I take

02:44:39.040 --> 02:44:41.415
the point that you know yes you've got

02:44:41.439 --> 02:44:43.096
to find money and and all that sort of

02:44:43.120 --> 02:44:45.415
stuff but at the end of the day it's not

02:44:45.439 --> 02:44:48.136
necessarily looking for that. It asks up

02:44:48.160 --> 02:44:51.160
front that we seek to have a state

02:44:51.840 --> 02:44:54.616
heritage register listing put on these

02:44:54.640 --> 02:44:57.335
two items. By virtue of putting a

02:44:57.359 --> 02:44:59.415
listing on these two items, the value of

02:44:59.439 --> 02:45:02.439
the item would go down anyway. would go

02:45:03.439 --> 02:45:06.216
down significantly anyway because you

02:45:06.240 --> 02:45:08.936
can't do you can't do anything else with

02:45:08.960 --> 02:45:11.415
it because it's got a heritage item on

02:45:11.439 --> 02:45:14.295
it. If you interpreted Mr. Cavalo's

02:45:14.319 --> 02:45:17.176
answers as you commented  Council

02:45:17.200 --> 02:45:20.200
Zaiter, you misinterpreted what he said.

02:45:20.640 --> 02:45:23.415
State heritage a local heritage item

02:45:23.439 --> 02:45:25.576
effectively can be knocked over without

02:45:25.600 --> 02:45:27.656
too much trouble at all. They'll have to

02:45:27.680 --> 02:45:30.295
put forward a conservation um comment as

02:45:30.319 --> 02:45:32.936
to why it needs to be knocked over. But

02:45:32.960 --> 02:45:35.576
it can be knocked over because it only

02:45:35.600 --> 02:45:38.455
has local heritage significance and that

02:45:38.479 --> 02:45:41.176
can be that that can that land can be

02:45:41.200 --> 02:45:43.816
developed further to the point. If it

02:45:43.840 --> 02:45:46.056
has local heritage significance, the

02:45:46.080 --> 02:45:48.856
place can be dis can what's the word?

02:45:48.880 --> 02:45:51.880
can be um disregarded, going to go into

02:45:52.960 --> 02:45:55.960
um um run being run down.  and as a

02:45:57.920 --> 02:45:59.816
result, there's an excuse for it to be

02:45:59.840 --> 02:46:01.976
knocked over. But if it has state

02:46:02.000 --> 02:46:04.856
significance, you can't knock it over.

02:46:04.880 --> 02:46:06.455
You can't knock it over. It's on the

02:46:06.479 --> 02:46:09.176
register. There are particular

02:46:09.200 --> 02:46:10.696
particular things you've got to go

02:46:10.720 --> 02:46:13.335
through and it's like a a minefield

02:46:13.359 --> 02:46:15.976
trying to knock over an issue of state

02:46:16.000 --> 02:46:18.616
significance. I'd ask the the um the

02:46:18.640 --> 02:46:21.415
manager that if he thinks that a state

02:46:21.439 --> 02:46:24.295
significant item can be knocked over

02:46:24.319 --> 02:46:26.936
through you madame may

02:46:26.960 --> 02:46:29.016
counselor you are in right or reply I'm

02:46:29.040 --> 02:46:30.455
going to

02:46:30.479 --> 02:46:32.056
it came up in comment

02:46:32.080 --> 02:46:33.816
I I'll allow it but it needs to be very

02:46:33.840 --> 02:46:35.816
succinct um through the  acting

02:46:35.840 --> 02:46:38.840
general manager.

02:46:42.240 --> 02:46:44.375
So the question councellor was through

02:46:44.399 --> 02:46:46.856
the mayor was whether a state item could

02:46:46.880 --> 02:46:48.136
be demolished. Is that the question

02:46:48.160 --> 02:46:49.255
you're asking?

02:46:49.279 --> 02:46:50.295
Easily.

02:46:50.319 --> 02:46:53.255
Easily. Not not to my knowledge.

02:46:53.279 --> 02:46:55.576
But I'd argue local needs a process if

02:46:55.600 --> 02:46:56.455
it was going to be demolished. I'm

02:46:56.479 --> 02:46:58.056
not going to ask you to remain silent

02:46:58.080 --> 02:47:00.536
while councellor councellor Christou 

02:47:00.560 --> 02:47:02.536
councellor Ig pardon councellor Christou

02:47:02.560 --> 02:47:03.335
councel

02:47:03.359 --> 02:47:04.295
understand that

02:47:04.319 --> 02:47:05.576
we're not asking any more question.

02:47:05.600 --> 02:47:07.335
We're we're de we're right of reply

02:47:07.359 --> 02:47:09.176
please. So we so we know that local

02:47:09.200 --> 02:47:11.736
significance if you apply the right way

02:47:11.760 --> 02:47:14.760
and go through a a process it it may be

02:47:15.040 --> 02:47:17.096
able to get approval to be knocked over

02:47:17.120 --> 02:47:19.176
a state significance it's on a state

02:47:19.200 --> 02:47:21.896
register and that makes it very very

02:47:21.920 --> 02:47:24.375
significant. It's also very significant

02:47:24.399 --> 02:47:25.976
if you own it and you want to knock it

02:47:26.000 --> 02:47:28.936
over like the police station

02:47:28.960 --> 02:47:31.960
you'll find out you won't be able to.

02:47:32.160 --> 02:47:34.216
You won't be able to and that lowers the

02:47:34.240 --> 02:47:35.816
price cuz I can't do anything else with

02:47:35.840 --> 02:47:37.656
it. I know accountants aren't used to

02:47:37.680 --> 02:47:39.576
work thinking that way or councellor
02:47:39.600 --> 02:47:42.600
Elmore who is the is just a massive

02:47:43.359 --> 02:47:46.359
negative waves over there. Um if what

02:47:46.720 --> 02:47:49.576
this council should be doing is giving

02:47:49.600 --> 02:47:52.056
giving leadership to this  to this

02:47:52.080 --> 02:47:54.936
exercise particularly particularly on

02:47:54.960 --> 02:47:57.736
102 William Street. The house is not

02:47:57.760 --> 02:48:00.216
going to last forever. It's run it's

02:48:00.240 --> 02:48:02.536
getting run down now. It's been there

02:48:02.560 --> 02:48:05.415
forund what

02:48:05.439 --> 02:48:08.439
50 odd years now. Um maybe yeah about

02:48:10.640 --> 02:48:13.335
150 years. It's important that we do

02:48:13.359 --> 02:48:16.216
something about it. Now I don't mind and

02:48:16.240 --> 02:48:18.536
I'm trying tonight to get this council

02:48:18.560 --> 02:48:21.560
to move in a direction to support a

02:48:21.680 --> 02:48:24.536
study a study that might place it on the

02:48:24.560 --> 02:48:26.536
state register.

02:48:26.560 --> 02:48:29.176
But um if this council won't move it

02:48:29.200 --> 02:48:31.976
forward, well, I suppose we we've got to

02:48:32.000 --> 02:48:33.496
try moving it from a community

02:48:33.520 --> 02:48:35.736
perspective, and I don't mind going out

02:48:35.760 --> 02:48:37.976
there then and trying to run a public

02:48:38.000 --> 02:48:40.056
campaign with our state and federal

02:48:40.080 --> 02:48:41.896
members and with the members of the

02:48:41.920 --> 02:48:43.816
community to try and get what this

02:48:43.840 --> 02:48:46.776
council should be asking for as well.

02:48:46.800 --> 02:48:48.616
This council's got the resources to be

02:48:48.640 --> 02:48:51.640
able to support what this motion asks

02:48:51.840 --> 02:48:54.056
for. And one thing you would be asking

02:48:54.080 --> 02:48:56.696
for if and is leadership and the

02:48:56.720 --> 02:48:59.496
leadership would be identified and 

02:48:59.520 --> 02:49:02.056
and we might be able to move together

02:49:02.080 --> 02:49:03.816
with the community to achieve an outcome

02:49:03.840 --> 02:49:06.536
that we desire. I've spoken to state and

02:49:06.560 --> 02:49:08.616
federal members. They are very very

02:49:08.640 --> 02:49:11.096
interested in maintaining 102 William

02:49:11.120 --> 02:49:14.056
Street. This resolution isn't going to

02:49:14.080 --> 02:49:16.776
cost anyone any money at all. It just

02:49:16.800 --> 02:49:19.736
seeks information to move forward to put

02:49:19.760 --> 02:49:22.295
us in a position where we can act in the

02:49:22.319 --> 02:49:24.536
in the in the future. And in terms of

02:49:24.560 --> 02:49:27.496
the Libcom Police Station, if it had a

02:49:27.520 --> 02:49:30.136
significant  status to it, it would

02:49:30.160 --> 02:49:32.295
not be able to be developed, the price

02:49:32.319 --> 02:49:34.696
of it would go down. And as far as

02:49:34.720 --> 02:49:36.536
William Street is concerned, it would

02:49:36.560 --> 02:49:39.335
save William Street and  to the

02:49:39.359 --> 02:49:41.656
benefit of the wider community, the

02:49:41.680 --> 02:49:42.776
heritage community.

02:49:42.800 --> 02:49:44.056
Thank you, councellor. I'm now going to

02:49:44.080 --> 02:49:46.936
put the Gar Hughes motion. All those in

02:49:46.960 --> 02:49:49.960
favor, please  raise your hand.

02:49:51.120 --> 02:49:53.496
 I'm going to start here. councellor
02:49:53.520 --> 02:49:55.496
Yang, councellor Alf, councellor Gar,

02:49:55.520 --> 02:49:57.656
councellor Hughes, and councellor Christo.

02:49:57.680 --> 02:49:59.176
All those against please raise your

02:49:59.200 --> 02:50:01.736
hand. councellor Yasa, councellor Elmore,

02:50:01.760 --> 02:50:02.936
councellor Saha, councellor Coleman,

02:50:02.960 --> 02:50:04.216
councellor Hammond, councellor Zaiter,

02:50:04.240 --> 02:50:06.696
councellor Kafrouni Saba, and councellor Ramy. I

02:50:06.720 --> 02:50:09.576
declare it lost. And we move on to 

02:50:09.600 --> 02:50:12.536
item 158, expansion of inclusive and

02:50:12.560 --> 02:50:14.776
accessible playgrounds. councellor
02:50:14.800 --> 02:50:17.800
Kafrouni Saba, you have the floor.

02:50:18.080 --> 02:50:20.856
You um I wish to speak in support of

02:50:20.880 --> 02:50:22.216
this motion which calls for the

02:50:22.240 --> 02:50:24.216
expansion of inclusive and accessible

02:50:24.240 --> 02:50:26.696
playgrounds against across Cumberland.

02:50:26.720 --> 02:50:28.216
This is something I'm genuinely

02:50:28.240 --> 02:50:30.136
passionate about, making sure no child

02:50:30.160 --> 02:50:32.696
is left on the sidelines. When we talk

02:50:32.720 --> 02:50:34.696
about play spaces, we're talking about

02:50:34.720 --> 02:50:37.656
more than just swings and slides. We're

02:50:37.680 --> 02:50:39.736
talking about inclusion, about giving

02:50:39.760 --> 02:50:42.375
every child, regardless of ability, a

02:50:42.399 --> 02:50:45.399
chance to play, connect, and belong. I

02:50:45.439 --> 02:50:47.096
want to acknowledge that council already

02:50:47.120 --> 02:50:48.776
does important work to ensure our

02:50:48.800 --> 02:50:50.856
playgrounds are inclusive and that we

02:50:50.880 --> 02:50:52.776
meet the relevant Australian standards.

02:50:52.800 --> 02:50:54.536
I'm proud of the initiatives we already

02:50:54.560 --> 02:50:56.696
we've already implemented, but the

02:50:56.720 --> 02:50:58.375
reason I've brought this motion forward

02:50:58.399 --> 02:51:00.216
is to strengthen our approach,

02:51:00.240 --> 02:51:01.816
particularly when it comes to children

02:51:01.840 --> 02:51:03.736
with children with autism spectrum

02:51:03.760 --> 02:51:06.136
disorder. What's currently missing is

02:51:06.160 --> 02:51:08.375
more targeted engagement. Not just

02:51:08.399 --> 02:51:10.616
ticking a box, but genuinely consulting

02:51:10.640 --> 02:51:12.536
with advocacy groups, disability support

02:51:12.560 --> 02:51:14.936
organization, and families with lived

02:51:14.960 --> 02:51:17.255
experience. This motion isn't a

02:51:17.279 --> 02:51:19.816
criticism. It's an opportunity to build

02:51:19.840 --> 02:51:21.496
on the great work we're already doing

02:51:21.520 --> 02:51:23.415
and ensure our playgrounds reflect the

02:51:23.439 --> 02:51:26.439
full diversity of our community. We we

02:51:26.479 --> 02:51:27.816
know that the number of children

02:51:27.840 --> 02:51:30.696
diagnosed with a autism is rising around

02:51:30.720 --> 02:51:33.335
1 in 25 in Australia and yet many of our

02:51:33.359 --> 02:51:35.176
public spaces still don't reflect the

02:51:35.200 --> 02:51:37.656
sensory, social and physical needs these

02:51:37.680 --> 02:51:40.536
children may have. This motion asks just

02:51:40.560 --> 02:51:43.560
for that where possible of course um it

02:51:43.760 --> 02:51:45.496
asks where our new and upgraded

02:51:45.520 --> 02:51:47.496
playgrounds include simple but powerful

02:51:47.520 --> 02:51:49.096
features like wheelchair accessible

02:51:49.120 --> 02:51:51.255
equipment, sensory play lemons, soft

02:51:51.279 --> 02:51:52.696
floor surfaces and inclusive

02:51:52.720 --> 02:51:55.016
communication boards. Again, this is

02:51:55.040 --> 02:51:57.096
about equity. It's about ensuring that

02:51:57.120 --> 02:51:58.536
whether you're a child with mobility

02:51:58.560 --> 02:52:00.455
challenges, a parent with a pram or

02:52:00.479 --> 02:52:01.976
sibling who experiences the world

02:52:02.000 --> 02:52:03.896
differently, there's a space for you to

02:52:03.920 --> 02:52:05.576
enjoy your local park like everyone

02:52:05.600 --> 02:52:08.455
else. Thank you.

02:52:08.479 --> 02:52:11.479
Thank you, councellor. councellor Zaiter.

02:52:12.720 --> 02:52:15.576
What can I add to that particular 

02:52:15.600 --> 02:52:17.976
speech?  madame mayor, I'd like to

02:52:18.000 --> 02:52:19.816
thank council Kafrouni for putting 

02:52:19.840 --> 02:52:21.496
council kafini saver for putting this

02:52:21.520 --> 02:52:23.896
motion forward.  it is important for

02:52:23.920 --> 02:52:25.656
all the children in our LJGA to be able

02:52:25.680 --> 02:52:28.680
to feel  included and have the ability

02:52:29.600 --> 02:52:32.375
to utilize all our  playgrounds. I

02:52:32.399 --> 02:52:34.776
know that it's it's going to take some

02:52:34.800 --> 02:52:37.800
time  to upgrade our playgrounds 

02:52:38.319 --> 02:52:40.616
should this motion  be approved by

02:52:40.640 --> 02:52:42.696
council. But I think it's important that

02:52:42.720 --> 02:52:45.096
in ter that when we start when we 

02:52:45.120 --> 02:52:48.120
upgrade the  when we when we apply our

02:52:48.800 --> 02:52:51.176
current  couple works projects to

02:52:51.200 --> 02:52:53.415
upgrading our our playgrounds that we

02:52:53.439 --> 02:52:55.816
consider these options and and where

02:52:55.840 --> 02:52:58.216
possible include them. I know for

02:52:58.240 --> 02:53:00.776
example at Civic Park when we recently

02:53:00.800 --> 02:53:02.616
upgraded that particular playground

02:53:02.640 --> 02:53:04.936
there is wheelchair accessible 

02:53:04.960 --> 02:53:07.335
playground play equipment which  which

02:53:07.359 --> 02:53:10.359
is great. Um these additional items that

02:53:10.800 --> 02:53:12.856
council Kaffini has put forward I think

02:53:12.880 --> 02:53:14.216
should be considered for future

02:53:14.240 --> 02:53:17.240
upgrades. Um as and when you know our

02:53:17.279 --> 02:53:20.216
our old programs  you know fall apart

02:53:20.240 --> 02:53:22.056
and we start looking at  putting

02:53:22.080 --> 02:53:24.216
together the the new items that we're

02:53:24.240 --> 02:53:27.240
going to put in there. I think um  you

02:53:27.439 --> 02:53:29.496
know taking these into consideration is

02:53:29.520 --> 02:53:31.976
important and any other items that I

02:53:32.000 --> 02:53:34.375
believe  would be would be useful to

02:53:34.399 --> 02:53:36.776
our children. So um thank you councellor
02:53:36.800 --> 02:53:39.576
Kafrouni. I support your motion.

02:53:39.600 --> 02:53:42.600
Thank you councellor. councellor Yang.

02:53:42.800 --> 02:53:45.800
Okay. Thank you mayor. I support this

02:53:46.560 --> 02:53:48.216
item.

02:53:48.240 --> 02:53:51.240
First council what we have to do first

02:53:52.080 --> 02:53:54.056
surveyor

02:53:54.080 --> 02:53:56.136
 which

02:53:56.160 --> 02:53:58.936
 playground first register our

02:53:58.960 --> 02:54:00.455
playground

02:54:00.479 --> 02:54:03.479
and how much it cost you know then we 

02:54:06.080 --> 02:54:09.080
 of course including support.

02:54:10.880 --> 02:54:12.375
Thank you.

02:54:12.399 --> 02:54:14.936
Thank you council councellor Coleman.

02:54:14.960 --> 02:54:17.656
Mayor,

02:54:17.680 --> 02:54:19.816
it's a good idea to reaffirm our

02:54:19.840 --> 02:54:21.976
commitment to providing facilities that

02:54:22.000 --> 02:54:24.216
meet the diverse needs of our area from

02:54:24.240 --> 02:54:26.536
time to time. This is particularly the

02:54:26.560 --> 02:54:28.616
case when we're talking about children

02:54:28.640 --> 02:54:31.016
living with disability who can be among

02:54:31.040 --> 02:54:32.776
the most vulnerable people in our

02:54:32.800 --> 02:54:35.576
community. Ensuring council facilities

02:54:35.600 --> 02:54:37.976
are fully accessible to children of all

02:54:38.000 --> 02:54:40.616
abilities is a vital part of the work we

02:54:40.640 --> 02:54:43.176
do here at council. This is something we

02:54:43.200 --> 02:54:45.335
understand well at Cumberland and forms

02:54:45.359 --> 02:54:47.176
the basis of our disability and

02:54:47.200 --> 02:54:50.200
inclusion access plan and our open space

02:54:50.319 --> 02:54:52.936
and recreational strategy. One of the

02:54:52.960 --> 02:54:55.960
main aspects of our plans is to increase

02:54:56.000 --> 02:54:59.000
access to public spaces and facilities.

02:54:59.439 --> 02:55:02.056
We do this by focusing on participatory

02:55:02.080 --> 02:55:04.776
and universal design in the development

02:55:04.800 --> 02:55:07.255
of new and upgraded open spaces and

02:55:07.279 --> 02:55:09.816
recreational facilities. Our plan

02:55:09.840 --> 02:55:12.536
requires us to continuously upgrade

02:55:12.560 --> 02:55:14.696
recreational facilities in playgrounds

02:55:14.720 --> 02:55:17.415
and parks to include accessible play

02:55:17.439 --> 02:55:19.896
elements when renewing playgrounds and

02:55:19.920 --> 02:55:22.216
when building new ones. Accessible

02:55:22.240 --> 02:55:24.136
playgrounds are crucial because they

02:55:24.160 --> 02:55:26.856
promote inclusion, allowing children of

02:55:26.880 --> 02:55:29.415
all abilities to play together, learn

02:55:29.439 --> 02:55:31.656
from each other, and develop crucial

02:55:31.680 --> 02:55:34.136
social and physical skills. These

02:55:34.160 --> 02:55:36.295
playgrounds offer a space where children

02:55:36.319 --> 02:55:38.616
can interact, explore, and build

02:55:38.640 --> 02:55:41.335
friendships, fostering a more inclusive

02:55:41.359 --> 02:55:44.295
and supportive community. We developed a

02:55:44.319 --> 02:55:46.375
wonderful all abilities playground at

02:55:46.399 --> 02:55:48.696
Central Gardens in the Grey Stains ward,

02:55:48.720 --> 02:55:50.375
which of course is my ward and

02:55:50.399 --> 02:55:52.455
previously my mom's ward when she was

02:55:52.479 --> 02:55:54.375
the deputy mayor of whole roy council.

02:55:54.399 --> 02:55:56.536
And I'm proud to have continued her

02:55:56.560 --> 02:55:58.856
legacy by delivering that this

02:55:58.880 --> 02:56:01.816
playground that she had been part that

02:56:01.840 --> 02:56:04.136
had been part of her vision for our

02:56:04.160 --> 02:56:06.616
community. It's wonderful to see all the

02:56:06.640 --> 02:56:08.375
children playing there and all the kids

02:56:08.399 --> 02:56:10.216
in our family, those who are

02:56:10.240 --> 02:56:13.096
neurodeiverse and neurotypical joining

02:56:13.120 --> 02:56:15.496
in whenever we go around to Central

02:56:15.520 --> 02:56:17.576
Gardens, which is a lot. It's around the

02:56:17.600 --> 02:56:20.600
corner. Inclusive play areas benefit

02:56:20.640 --> 02:56:23.335
users of all abilities, including those

02:56:23.359 --> 02:56:25.816
that would be able to enjoy the features

02:56:25.840 --> 02:56:28.536
of more standard playground designs.

02:56:28.560 --> 02:56:30.616
Play for all playgrounds bring

02:56:30.640 --> 02:56:33.255
communities together, making each person

02:56:33.279 --> 02:56:36.056
feel valued and understood. Everyone

02:56:36.080 --> 02:56:38.056
deserves the opportunity to play and

02:56:38.080 --> 02:56:39.335
have fun, and that's what these

02:56:39.359 --> 02:56:42.359
inclusive spaces aim to convey. Ensuring

02:56:43.200 --> 02:56:45.576
all our playgrounds across Cumberland

02:56:45.600 --> 02:56:48.136
are fun and engaging for all children of

02:56:48.160 --> 02:56:50.536
all abilities is certainly a worthy

02:56:50.560 --> 02:56:52.776
objective and I look forward to taking

02:56:52.800 --> 02:56:54.936
the kids in our family to any new and

02:56:54.960 --> 02:56:57.656
upgraded accessible parks in our area

02:56:57.680 --> 02:56:59.176
soon. Thank you, May.

02:56:59.200 --> 02:57:02.200
Thank you, councellor councellor Gar.

02:57:02.960 --> 02:57:04.295
Madame Mayor, it would seem as though

02:57:04.319 --> 02:57:06.295
Council Coleman

02:57:06.319 --> 02:57:09.319
has a a better a better appreciation of

02:57:09.600 --> 02:57:12.295
parks in her area for kids than anywhere

02:57:12.319 --> 02:57:13.736
else in the city because we saw that

02:57:13.760 --> 02:57:16.536
earlier tonight where we want to sell

02:57:16.560 --> 02:57:19.560
off our parks to  to people to make a

02:57:20.640 --> 02:57:23.640
buck out of. But um

02:57:24.720 --> 02:57:26.455
silence council

02:57:26.479 --> 02:57:27.896
having said that

02:57:27.920 --> 02:57:30.216
having having said that um sorry you

02:57:30.240 --> 02:57:31.176
you're talking um

02:57:31.200 --> 02:57:33.816
councellor Gar do you have the floor

02:57:33.840 --> 02:57:36.056
do you have the floor councel councellor
02:57:36.080 --> 02:57:38.375
um Coleman to

02:57:38.399 --> 02:57:40.536
you did make an unfavorable remark can

02:57:40.560 --> 02:57:42.375
you please continue councellor Gar

02:57:42.399 --> 02:57:44.216
so I just don't want to interrupt at all

02:57:44.240 --> 02:57:45.415
not me

02:57:45.439 --> 02:57:47.096
the um

02:57:47.120 --> 02:57:48.936
councellor Gar you have the floor

02:57:48.960 --> 02:57:51.960
absolutely um but the thing is the the

02:57:52.319 --> 02:57:55.319
report that this council does not

02:57:55.359 --> 02:57:57.016
acknowledge

02:57:57.040 --> 02:57:59.736
um even though even though  council

02:57:59.760 --> 02:58:01.656
Zaiter sat in on the on the the adoption

02:58:01.680 --> 02:58:04.680
of it  states that um the community

02:58:06.399 --> 02:58:08.616
has identified many priorities for open

02:58:08.640 --> 02:58:11.640
space and recreation including

02:58:12.319 --> 02:58:14.936
people with disabilities and carers

02:58:14.960 --> 02:58:17.016
would like to see more accessible

02:58:17.040 --> 02:58:19.415
inclusive and promoted recreational

02:58:19.439 --> 02:58:21.576
facilities and programs. s which

02:58:21.600 --> 02:58:23.816
increase social social inclusion and

02:58:23.840 --> 02:58:26.696
participation. I mean the bones to what

02:58:26.720 --> 02:58:28.856
this resolution is all about has already

02:58:28.880 --> 02:58:31.415
been adopted effectively by council

02:58:31.439 --> 02:58:33.736
right and in fact if the councellor was

02:58:33.760 --> 02:58:36.536
being was being  what's the word um 

02:58:36.560 --> 02:58:39.560
educated correctly and advised by her

02:58:39.760 --> 02:58:42.760
her  knowledgeable colleagues they

02:58:43.120 --> 02:58:45.736
would be able to point that out to her.

02:58:45.760 --> 02:58:48.295
Um, furthermore, what does concern me

02:58:48.319 --> 02:58:50.455
and not mention in this resolution, but

02:58:50.479 --> 02:58:52.295
concerning when I look around the parks

02:58:52.319 --> 02:58:54.936
in our area is the fact that some parks

02:58:54.960 --> 02:58:57.960
don't have don't have  shading. Now, I

02:58:58.640 --> 02:59:01.016
don't cannot understand how we would

02:59:01.040 --> 02:59:04.040
build a new park and not promote shade

02:59:04.240 --> 02:59:07.016
in the park. In fact, the resolute the

02:59:07.040 --> 02:59:09.576
um recommendation here in this adopted

02:59:09.600 --> 02:59:12.600
report says increase shade protection

02:59:12.640 --> 02:59:15.640
from the sun. We bring forward excuse me

02:59:16.080 --> 02:59:18.856
acting general manager I'm talking um

02:59:18.880 --> 02:59:21.880
mayor um the point is this that  we

02:59:23.439 --> 02:59:25.736
bring forward reports from various

02:59:25.760 --> 02:59:28.616
departments showing how we should handle

02:59:28.640 --> 02:59:31.640
um increased heat in the area

02:59:32.800 --> 02:59:35.800
yet the same department go and design go

02:59:36.399 --> 02:59:39.399
and design playgrounds with no shade and

02:59:40.000 --> 02:59:43.000
in fact I was I was absolutely

02:59:43.200 --> 02:59:45.255
gobsmacked recently when the next door

02:59:45.279 --> 02:59:48.279
neighbor asked me about  I asked her

02:59:48.399 --> 02:59:49.896
in fact um what do you think of a new

02:59:49.920 --> 02:59:52.616
playground up the road in Blackel

02:59:52.640 --> 02:59:55.576
Street, she said it's terrible. I said

02:59:55.600 --> 02:59:57.576
why is that? She said well there's no

02:59:57.600 --> 02:59:59.656
shade and I've had a look at other

02:59:59.680 --> 03:00:01.736
council parks that were built and some

03:00:01.760 --> 03:00:03.816
of them don't have shade either. That

03:00:03.840 --> 03:00:06.776
concerns me. And then more recently, I

03:00:06.800 --> 03:00:09.496
had the opportunity to speak to  

03:00:09.520 --> 03:00:12.056
council staff on a park that needed

03:00:12.080 --> 03:00:14.136
cleaning. And the staff got out there

03:00:14.160 --> 03:00:16.216
and I said, "Look at the mess." And

03:00:16.240 --> 03:00:17.736
said, "Yeah, this has been designed very

03:00:17.760 --> 03:00:20.056
badly." He said, well, he didn't say,

03:00:20.080 --> 03:00:22.455
but one would assume that the people who

03:00:22.479 --> 03:00:24.696
design the parks are not talking to the

03:00:24.720 --> 03:00:27.176
people who have to clean the parks and

03:00:27.200 --> 03:00:28.936
keep them clean.

03:00:28.960 --> 03:00:30.776
And  we had a great discussion about

03:00:30.800 --> 03:00:32.856
that and the logic about what you would

03:00:32.880 --> 03:00:35.016
do and how you would build the park if

03:00:35.040 --> 03:00:38.040
it had to be maintained regularly. And

03:00:38.800 --> 03:00:41.800
 we all agreed except the people who

03:00:42.160 --> 03:00:45.096
bring forward these reports um that to

03:00:45.120 --> 03:00:47.496
design these parks and I don't know who

03:00:47.520 --> 03:00:49.335
they're listening to but  they

03:00:49.359 --> 03:00:50.616
certainly aren't reading council's

03:00:50.640 --> 03:00:52.776
adopted report that says here for

03:00:52.800 --> 03:00:55.800
instance there has to be shade and parks

03:00:56.800 --> 03:00:58.696
are being designed about shade for kids.

03:00:58.720 --> 03:01:00.616
I cannot understand that. Look I

03:01:00.640 --> 03:01:02.056
generally support the resolution. I

03:01:02.080 --> 03:01:03.816
think it's a good one. How we can afford

03:01:03.840 --> 03:01:06.616
it I don't know. Right. That's another

03:01:06.640 --> 03:01:08.536
that's another issue. We can't do the

03:01:08.560 --> 03:01:10.856
basics like design the thing correctly

03:01:10.880 --> 03:01:12.856
let alone put in these types of

03:01:12.880 --> 03:01:15.816
features.

03:01:15.840 --> 03:01:17.976
councellor councellor Sarcus.

03:01:18.000 --> 03:01:20.856
Yes madam may just with respect to shape

03:01:20.880 --> 03:01:22.776
I think it's a long-term vision thing

03:01:22.800 --> 03:01:25.096
for cland it's planting trees and

03:01:25.120 --> 03:01:28.120
waiting for them to grow.

03:01:28.880 --> 03:01:31.656
Depends on the type of tree.

03:01:31.680 --> 03:01:33.415
Madame mayor I I support the motion. I

03:01:33.439 --> 03:01:36.295
think it's a great motion. Um,

03:01:36.319 --> 03:01:38.295
I think it's going to cost a bit and

03:01:38.319 --> 03:01:40.455
it's going to take a while, but it's

03:01:40.479 --> 03:01:41.896
it's a journey that we're going to have

03:01:41.920 --> 03:01:44.920
to  get through and I think at the end

03:01:45.840 --> 03:01:47.415
 light will be at the end of the

03:01:47.439 --> 03:01:48.616
tunnel.

03:01:48.640 --> 03:01:50.136
Thank you, councellor. councellor Kaferni,

03:01:50.160 --> 03:01:53.096
you write a reply.

03:01:53.120 --> 03:01:54.455
Um,

03:01:54.479 --> 03:01:57.479
I just Oh, do you want to go first?

03:01:59.520 --> 03:02:01.736
You're okay. councellor Ramy.

03:02:01.760 --> 03:02:02.936
Thank you, Madame May. Look, I

03:02:02.960 --> 03:02:05.415
wholeheartedly support the motion. I'll

03:02:05.439 --> 03:02:08.216
just kind of make some comments about

03:02:08.240 --> 03:02:10.216
some commentary made a bit earlier about

03:02:10.240 --> 03:02:13.240
being ill advised by colleagues. Well,

03:02:14.080 --> 03:02:16.616
, a principle can be in a document and

03:02:16.640 --> 03:02:19.640
can be in an inclusive disability

03:02:19.840 --> 03:02:22.840
statement and read out. Um just like we

03:02:24.560 --> 03:02:26.776
have a heritage committee

03:02:26.800 --> 03:02:29.736
just like we have people going we have a

03:02:29.760 --> 03:02:32.136
operational strategy that clearly

03:02:32.160 --> 03:02:34.536
outlines we're going to maintain street

03:02:34.560 --> 03:02:37.560
footpaths just like we've got policies

03:02:38.720 --> 03:02:41.576
around what the council covers and what

03:02:41.600 --> 03:02:44.600
the council doesn't cover. Not yet. But

03:02:45.359 --> 03:02:48.359
yet we still have counselors even today

03:02:49.200 --> 03:02:51.976
putting motions in

03:02:52.000 --> 03:02:54.455
about

03:02:54.479 --> 03:02:55.896
houses that need to be put on the

03:02:55.920 --> 03:02:58.295
heritage register. So I think it's a

03:02:58.319 --> 03:03:00.375
massive case of throwing stones. It's a

03:03:00.399 --> 03:03:02.616
bit rich coming from people who are who

03:03:02.640 --> 03:03:04.856
where we have a heritage committee, but

03:03:04.880 --> 03:03:07.255
yet they're still putting up houses that

03:03:07.279 --> 03:03:08.616
buildings that need to be put on the

03:03:08.640 --> 03:03:10.936
heritage register. They're still trying

03:03:10.960 --> 03:03:12.936
to tell council

03:03:12.960 --> 03:03:15.736
about pigeons and and cleaning

03:03:15.760 --> 03:03:18.760
particular areas. This is no different.

03:03:18.960 --> 03:03:20.375
You can have a policy. This is

03:03:20.399 --> 03:03:22.856
reinforcing that priority and that we

03:03:22.880 --> 03:03:25.880
want to really zero in on it. So I'll

03:03:28.000 --> 03:03:28.536
I'll stop.

03:03:28.560 --> 03:03:31.560
Silence, please. Councilor Council stop,

03:03:31.600 --> 03:03:33.736
especially given I didn't interject.

03:03:33.760 --> 03:03:33.976
Council

03:03:34.000 --> 03:03:36.616
Ramy, you have a floor. the the heritage

03:03:36.640 --> 03:03:39.640
items are also very rich because

03:03:40.160 --> 03:03:41.896
they're still interjecting. I'll just

03:03:41.920 --> 03:03:44.920
wait.

03:03:50.399 --> 03:03:53.399
Councel Garel Gar, can I ask you to

03:03:53.520 --> 03:03:56.455
remain silent when councellor Ramy um is

03:03:56.479 --> 03:03:59.479
speaking?

03:03:59.520 --> 03:04:01.176
I think he can hear me very well. He's

03:04:01.200 --> 03:04:03.016
been hearing me all night.

03:04:03.040 --> 03:04:05.335
councellor Ramy, you have the floor. I

03:04:05.359 --> 03:04:07.415
also think it's a bit rich coming from

03:04:07.439 --> 03:04:09.816
an individual who

03:04:09.840 --> 03:04:11.816
wants to act like the heritage Cape

03:04:11.840 --> 03:04:13.496
Crusader.

03:04:13.520 --> 03:04:16.216
But I believe

03:04:16.240 --> 03:04:18.136
when you look at heritage in the area

03:04:18.160 --> 03:04:20.295
arguably and he and and certain

03:04:20.319 --> 03:04:23.319
individuals that know this given their

03:04:23.680 --> 03:04:25.896
service in this area and the societies

03:04:25.920 --> 03:04:27.896
that they're part of that one of the

03:04:27.920 --> 03:04:30.216
oldest buildings in Granville was

03:04:30.240 --> 03:04:32.455
actually the multicultural center. But

03:04:32.479 --> 03:04:34.776
yet certain individuals were, I believe,

03:04:34.800 --> 03:04:36.616
instrumental in pushing for that to be

03:04:36.640 --> 03:04:39.640
brought down. I wonder why. I think the

03:04:40.399 --> 03:04:42.375
multicultural center was probably around

03:04:42.399 --> 03:04:45.176
the same time or maybe just after

03:04:45.200 --> 03:04:48.056
Knobs's  house, but that doesn't

03:04:48.080 --> 03:04:50.536
deserve state significance. In fact, the

03:04:50.560 --> 03:04:53.255
multicultural center is now a figment of

03:04:53.279 --> 03:04:55.016
the imagination,

03:04:55.040 --> 03:04:56.616
and a certain individual was

03:04:56.640 --> 03:04:58.936
instrumental in pushing for that to be

03:04:58.960 --> 03:05:00.696
brought down.

03:05:00.720 --> 03:05:03.720
So we we're on a theme here of of very

03:05:03.760 --> 03:05:06.455
sorry ma'am is I don't understand you

03:05:06.479 --> 03:05:09.479
have a point of order councel gar is he

03:05:09.520 --> 03:05:11.096
saying that I'm responsible for

03:05:11.120 --> 03:05:12.936
councel gar please take your seat

03:05:12.960 --> 03:05:14.776
councellor Ramy you have the floor

03:05:14.800 --> 03:05:17.656
councel gar if you don't have a

03:05:17.680 --> 03:05:19.176
councel gar take your seat please

03:05:19.200 --> 03:05:21.415
councellor Ramy please madam may paranoia

03:05:21.439 --> 03:05:23.335
is not very healthy I didn't mention any

03:05:23.359 --> 03:05:26.359
names so I said an individual

03:05:27.760 --> 03:05:30.216
paranoia is not healthy

03:05:30.240 --> 03:05:32.136
But the multicultural center was a very

03:05:32.160 --> 03:05:35.160
significant building and in that

03:05:36.160 --> 03:05:39.160
point of order madame mayor

03:05:40.399 --> 03:05:41.576
point of what's your point of order

03:05:41.600 --> 03:05:42.856
council

03:05:42.880 --> 03:05:44.936
profanities were used bull the word

03:05:44.960 --> 03:05:47.816
[ __ ] in in  in respect of what I

03:05:47.840 --> 03:05:49.016
was saying so I asked that be

03:05:49.040 --> 03:05:50.776
withdrawn withdraw and apologize

03:05:50.800 --> 03:05:52.776
typical Australian language

03:05:52.800 --> 03:05:54.216
councellor Garrard please withdraw and

03:05:54.240 --> 03:05:57.240
apologize and remain silent

03:05:57.359 --> 03:05:59.656
councel Gar I'm urging you

03:05:59.680 --> 03:06:00.056
no

03:06:00.080 --> 03:06:02.295
to withdraw that comment and apologize.

03:06:02.319 --> 03:06:03.496
I wasn't talking to him.

03:06:03.520 --> 03:06:04.455
I'm going to give you one more

03:06:04.479 --> 03:06:05.016
opportunity.

03:06:05.040 --> 03:06:05.976
I wasn't talking to him.

03:06:06.000 --> 03:06:07.096
You were looking at him.

03:06:07.120 --> 03:06:08.536
I wasn't talking to him.

03:06:08.560 --> 03:06:09.896
We will have that noted in the minutes.

03:06:09.920 --> 03:06:10.295
Thank you.

03:06:10.319 --> 03:06:12.056
I'll move a motion that be he ejected

03:06:12.080 --> 03:06:13.896
from he be ejected from the coun from

03:06:13.920 --> 03:06:14.776
the chamber.

03:06:14.800 --> 03:06:15.335
Council,

03:06:15.359 --> 03:06:16.936
I'll wait till I wait till he puts it on

03:06:16.960 --> 03:06:18.536
Facebook.

03:06:18.560 --> 03:06:19.896
I'll move a motion that he gets ejected

03:06:19.920 --> 03:06:20.216
from

03:06:20.240 --> 03:06:21.496
I don't want to hear this motion

03:06:21.520 --> 03:06:22.216
Facebook

03:06:22.240 --> 03:06:24.295
about being

03:06:24.319 --> 03:06:27.319
please withdraw and apologize.

03:06:27.760 --> 03:06:29.496
I really don't want to hear this motion.

03:06:29.520 --> 03:06:30.776
I know you don't, but I won't. Mate,

03:06:30.800 --> 03:06:32.936
we're about to we're about to go into an

03:06:32.960 --> 03:06:34.455
I'll move a motion that he gets ejected

03:06:34.479 --> 03:06:37.016
from the chamber. Give me a minute.

03:06:37.040 --> 03:06:39.576
councellor Gar, we're about to hear a

03:06:39.600 --> 03:06:42.136
motion that you wanted to talk to. I do

03:06:42.160 --> 03:06:43.736
not want you ejected from this chamber.

03:06:43.760 --> 03:06:45.176
Please withdraw and apologize.

03:06:45.200 --> 03:06:47.415
I don't want to talk to it.

03:06:47.439 --> 03:06:48.936
You now now you don't want to talk to

03:06:48.960 --> 03:06:50.216
it.

03:06:50.240 --> 03:06:52.536
You asked us to

03:06:52.560 --> 03:06:55.560
re

03:06:57.520 --> 03:06:58.936
Are you going to withdraw and apologize?

03:06:58.960 --> 03:06:59.335
councellor,

03:06:59.359 --> 03:07:00.375
I don't want to talk.

03:07:00.399 --> 03:07:02.056
councellor, just continue.

03:07:02.080 --> 03:07:03.656
I'll move a motion that he gets ejected

03:07:03.680 --> 03:07:06.680
from the chamber.

03:07:21.279 --> 03:07:23.335
Council Ramy, please, please continue.

03:07:23.359 --> 03:07:25.496
Please continue. Please. continue as

03:07:25.520 --> 03:07:27.736
long as the interjection stop.

03:07:27.760 --> 03:07:29.255
Okay. councellor Gared, please stop

03:07:29.279 --> 03:07:30.696
interjecting. Okay.

03:07:30.720 --> 03:07:32.936
Thank you. councellor Ramy, please 

03:07:32.960 --> 03:07:35.960
please continue.

03:07:36.880 --> 03:07:38.856
So, this motion is basically a

03:07:38.880 --> 03:07:40.536
reinforcement.

03:07:40.560 --> 03:07:42.216
Big deal. If we've got a policy about

03:07:42.240 --> 03:07:45.240
it, this is reinforcing that one that

03:07:45.279 --> 03:07:47.176
certain subsets of that policy are what

03:07:47.200 --> 03:07:49.576
we want to zero in on. and through you

03:07:49.600 --> 03:07:52.136
madame mayor to the relevant officer how

03:07:52.160 --> 03:07:55.160
many parks that even 50% satisfy this

03:07:55.600 --> 03:07:57.656
criteria would we roughly have in our

03:07:57.680 --> 03:08:00.136
LGA

03:08:00.160 --> 03:08:03.160
through the  deputy general manager

03:08:03.840 --> 03:08:06.056
through you mayor I'd refer that to

03:08:06.080 --> 03:08:08.776
director Cavlla

03:08:08.800 --> 03:08:11.016
um through the mayor counselor all I can

03:08:11.040 --> 03:08:14.040
probably say with that question is that

03:08:14.479 --> 03:08:16.776
the recent parks that have been um

03:08:16.800 --> 03:08:19.255
provided in Cumberland do look elements

03:08:19.279 --> 03:08:21.496
that are mentioned in this motion where

03:08:21.520 --> 03:08:23.415
we look at sensory play we look at

03:08:23.439 --> 03:08:25.255
softball we look at wheelchair

03:08:25.279 --> 03:08:27.176
accessible play equipment and where

03:08:27.200 --> 03:08:29.335
that's possible we do that similar with

03:08:29.359 --> 03:08:30.856
elements like shade we do try and

03:08:30.880 --> 03:08:32.856
provide that either as a structure or a

03:08:32.880 --> 03:08:33.415
tree

03:08:33.439 --> 03:08:35.255
how many currently exist I

03:08:35.279 --> 03:08:37.016
I can't give a number off hand um

03:08:37.040 --> 03:08:38.616
counselor but what I can say that the

03:08:38.640 --> 03:08:41.016
last half a dozen or dozen upgrades

03:08:41.040 --> 03:08:42.616
there'll be components of most of these

03:08:42.640 --> 03:08:44.136
on most of those parks but there's

03:08:44.160 --> 03:08:46.295
hundreds of parks in Cumberland so I

03:08:46.319 --> 03:08:48.056
can't give a precise answer

03:08:48.080 --> 03:08:49.896
a small percentage. So obviously whether

03:08:49.920 --> 03:08:52.375
it's in a policy or not, we've got a

03:08:52.399 --> 03:08:54.056
number of Councellors. All of us

03:08:54.080 --> 03:08:56.216
represent this council. There's a policy

03:08:56.240 --> 03:08:58.696
sitting there obviously today and it's

03:08:58.720 --> 03:09:01.335
not a negative reflection of council.

03:09:01.359 --> 03:09:02.776
Obviously today it's not being

03:09:02.800 --> 03:09:05.176
implemented very well. So this is a way

03:09:05.200 --> 03:09:07.016
of reinforcing that priority and saying

03:09:07.040 --> 03:09:10.040
that moving forward we're going to focus

03:09:10.160 --> 03:09:12.136
on parks that fit this criteria. I think

03:09:12.160 --> 03:09:14.856
it's a very valid motion regardless of

03:09:14.880 --> 03:09:17.016
the

03:09:17.040 --> 03:09:18.616
the criticism that's getting thrown

03:09:18.640 --> 03:09:20.776
around the chamber. And with regards to

03:09:20.800 --> 03:09:22.936
the faceless Facebook, maybe you should

03:09:22.960 --> 03:09:24.856
learn how to use Facebook. It might help

03:09:24.880 --> 03:09:26.295
you get up next time and help your

03:09:26.319 --> 03:09:28.776
daughter get up as well.

03:09:28.800 --> 03:09:31.016
Council,

03:09:31.040 --> 03:09:33.816
I start by asking a question. How many

03:09:33.840 --> 03:09:35.576
If you didn't hear that, I'll repeat it.

03:09:35.600 --> 03:09:38.056
How many parks we have

03:09:38.080 --> 03:09:40.455
can be labeled.

03:09:40.479 --> 03:09:42.295
There you go. I'll move a motion he gets

03:09:42.319 --> 03:09:45.319
ejected from the second.

03:09:46.399 --> 03:09:47.335
councellor Gar,

03:09:47.359 --> 03:09:48.936
I'll move a motion he gets ejected from

03:09:48.960 --> 03:09:49.415
the

03:09:49.439 --> 03:09:51.096
Okay, we need to follow a process.

03:09:51.120 --> 03:09:52.856
There's a point of order in relation to

03:09:52.880 --> 03:09:54.616
1511D

03:09:54.640 --> 03:09:57.176
and I'll ask councellor Gar to withdraw

03:09:57.200 --> 03:09:59.176
and apologize about calling councellor
03:09:59.200 --> 03:10:01.656
Gar and this time I did hear it and you

03:10:01.680 --> 03:10:03.176
were looking at him and you called him a

03:10:03.200 --> 03:10:03.896
pig.

03:10:03.920 --> 03:10:06.536
I did call him a pig.

03:10:06.560 --> 03:10:07.496
Oh, gutless pig.

03:10:07.520 --> 03:10:09.415
You did call him a gutless pig. Can you

03:10:09.439 --> 03:10:10.696
please withdraw and apologize?

03:10:10.720 --> 03:10:12.216
Otherwise, I I will hear the motion of

03:10:12.240 --> 03:10:12.696
objection.

03:10:12.720 --> 03:10:15.720
I'm sorry if not speak.

03:10:16.160 --> 03:10:17.016
Apologize.

03:10:17.040 --> 03:10:18.936
Good. Thank you. councellor Alf, you've

03:10:18.960 --> 03:10:21.415
got the floor.

03:10:21.439 --> 03:10:23.816
 can I ask  through you, Madame

03:10:23.840 --> 03:10:26.840
Mayor? How many um what what does it

03:10:26.960 --> 03:10:29.960
mean when we say all access  park?

03:10:30.800 --> 03:10:31.576
What does it mean?

03:10:31.600 --> 03:10:34.375
All abilities. Sorry. All abilities.

03:10:34.399 --> 03:10:36.056
What does all abilities mean?

03:10:36.080 --> 03:10:37.335
Yes. When it comes to park

03:10:37.359 --> 03:10:38.696
and who are you asking that question to?

03:10:38.720 --> 03:10:41.176
Um, can I ask the the acting general

03:10:41.200 --> 03:10:41.736
manager, please?

03:10:41.760 --> 03:10:44.760
Through the acting general manager

03:10:45.120 --> 03:10:46.776
again through you, madame mayor. I'll

03:10:46.800 --> 03:10:49.800
refer that to director Cavell

03:10:50.479 --> 03:10:53.016
through the mayor counselor. When we

03:10:53.040 --> 03:10:55.096
talk about all abilities playgrounds,

03:10:55.120 --> 03:10:57.016
it's looking at a playground that can

03:10:57.040 --> 03:11:00.040
provide options for different kids of

03:11:00.399 --> 03:11:01.896
different abilities and different ages

03:11:01.920 --> 03:11:03.736
to participate and play in that

03:11:03.760 --> 03:11:05.415
environment. And there's different ways

03:11:05.439 --> 03:11:07.415
that can be provided, but we try and try

03:11:07.439 --> 03:11:09.896
and provide for as many um options for

03:11:09.920 --> 03:11:11.415
as many people in the community as we

03:11:11.439 --> 03:11:12.856
can.

03:11:12.880 --> 03:11:15.880
My second question, please, how many

03:11:15.920 --> 03:11:18.920
parks in Cumberland fall under the

03:11:18.960 --> 03:11:21.960
category of all abilities meet the um

03:11:22.399 --> 03:11:25.399
requirements or the standards?

03:11:25.840 --> 03:11:27.736
Um through the mayor council, I can't

03:11:27.760 --> 03:11:29.255
give you a precise number now. I'll have

03:11:29.279 --> 03:11:31.176
to take that on notice. But there are

03:11:31.200 --> 03:11:32.936
some parks that fall in that and there's

03:11:32.960 --> 03:11:34.375
others planned to fall in that. But

03:11:34.399 --> 03:11:35.496
there would be a number of parks that

03:11:35.520 --> 03:11:38.216
wouldn't be under that category.

03:11:38.240 --> 03:11:40.936
Is there any the last question is

03:11:40.960 --> 03:11:43.960
there's any in in South Granville that

03:11:44.960 --> 03:11:46.696
fall under this category of all

03:11:46.720 --> 03:11:49.720
abilities parks.

03:11:50.640 --> 03:11:53.255
um through the mayor councellor. We have

03:11:53.279 --> 03:11:55.335
one planned at Duck River as a regional

03:11:55.359 --> 03:11:57.176
playground that is that is aiming to be

03:11:57.200 --> 03:11:59.896
all abilities in providing um facilities

03:11:59.920 --> 03:12:02.056
but it's it's a planned project. It's

03:12:02.080 --> 03:12:04.216
not constructed at this point in time.

03:12:04.240 --> 03:12:06.295
So that means a full ward Okay, I'll

03:12:06.319 --> 03:12:08.455
start my speech. That means a full ward

03:12:08.479 --> 03:12:10.776
which is South Granville hasn't got any

03:12:10.800 --> 03:12:13.800
all abilities um parks. And by the way,

03:12:13.920 --> 03:12:16.375
I do believe the majority of the parks

03:12:16.399 --> 03:12:18.936
that we have in Cumberland, they are not

03:12:18.960 --> 03:12:21.960
all abilities parks. And one day I did

03:12:23.359 --> 03:12:26.136
and I thank Nadima by the way. It came

03:12:26.160 --> 03:12:27.255
in the right time.

03:12:27.279 --> 03:12:28.696
councellor Kafrun, please.

03:12:28.720 --> 03:12:30.616
Yeah. Yeah. Council, sorry, Caffron, I'm

03:12:30.640 --> 03:12:33.016
really sorry. Um, councellor Kafuni, I

03:12:33.040 --> 03:12:35.415
really thank you for coming up with this

03:12:35.439 --> 03:12:38.439
um motion. Um I did go and visit few of

03:12:39.760 --> 03:12:42.696
the parks um in the area especially

03:12:42.720 --> 03:12:44.936
during the morning. I met lots of groups

03:12:44.960 --> 03:12:47.960
of  carers and families with kids with

03:12:48.640 --> 03:12:51.255
disabilities and not a single one of

03:12:51.279 --> 03:12:54.056
them was satisfied with the parks that

03:12:54.080 --> 03:12:56.856
we have. They all were complaining. They

03:12:56.880 --> 03:12:58.536
have no access. I have a son with

03:12:58.560 --> 03:13:01.560
disability myself and the kids are all

03:13:02.000 --> 03:13:04.776
complaining from nearly all  the

03:13:04.800 --> 03:13:06.936
parks. I remember one of them the

03:13:06.960 --> 03:13:09.176
majority of them said that we have to

03:13:09.200 --> 03:13:12.200
move um 20 minutes I believe the all

03:13:12.240 --> 03:13:15.240
abilities one the nearest to  Bala and

03:13:15.760 --> 03:13:18.295
regions park and and south Granville and

03:13:18.319 --> 03:13:20.295
Urban is that they have to travel all

03:13:20.319 --> 03:13:22.295
the way to Maryland I believe that's the

03:13:22.319 --> 03:13:24.455
closest one for all the families that

03:13:24.479 --> 03:13:27.016
are living in in all these suburbs so

03:13:27.040 --> 03:13:29.656
there is an issue that we have and we

03:13:29.680 --> 03:13:31.736
have to address it and I I do believe

03:13:31.760 --> 03:13:33.896
what I love also about and why I support

03:13:33.920 --> 03:13:36.920
this motion is that in in in number

03:13:37.120 --> 03:13:39.255
three, I believe the point number three

03:13:39.279 --> 03:13:42.056
is the consultation process which I

03:13:42.080 --> 03:13:44.375
really want to stress on the the

03:13:44.399 --> 03:13:47.096
importance of talking to the groups,

03:13:47.120 --> 03:13:48.936
talking to the families of the kids with

03:13:48.960 --> 03:13:51.960
disabilities um get the feedback before

03:13:52.000 --> 03:13:55.000
we u do anything. So I fully support and

03:13:55.040 --> 03:13:57.016
I do believe by the way reading from the

03:13:57.040 --> 03:14:00.040
our own reports at the council it was

03:14:00.080 --> 03:14:02.936
clear that we have the the the the

03:14:02.960 --> 03:14:05.960
percentage of kids with disabilities in

03:14:06.000 --> 03:14:08.295
Cumberland is higher than any other

03:14:08.319 --> 03:14:11.176
place in in New South Wales and Sydney

03:14:11.200 --> 03:14:12.776
and that's why we have to pay attention

03:14:12.800 --> 03:14:15.800
to this issue. I I thank you um

03:14:16.000 --> 03:14:19.000
councellor Kafrouni Saba  for raising um this

03:14:20.239 --> 03:14:22.295
issue and concern and I fully support

03:14:22.319 --> 03:14:23.176
this motion. Thank you.

03:14:23.200 --> 03:14:24.536
Thank you, council. Council like you

03:14:24.560 --> 03:14:25.976
write a reply.

03:14:26.000 --> 03:14:27.255
Okay. Thank you, madame mayor, and thank

03:14:27.279 --> 03:14:28.856
you everyone for your wonderful

03:14:28.880 --> 03:14:30.936
contributions. Again, I understand that

03:14:30.960 --> 03:14:32.776
we have an action plan, but I raised

03:14:32.800 --> 03:14:34.375
this motion because of the autism

03:14:34.399 --> 03:14:36.056
spectrum disorder component and other

03:14:36.080 --> 03:14:38.616
unseen disabilities and a call for

03:14:38.640 --> 03:14:40.455
stronger consultation. I want to hear

03:14:40.479 --> 03:14:41.976
from the experts. I want there to be

03:14:42.000 --> 03:14:43.816
more targeted engagement. We may have

03:14:43.840 --> 03:14:45.816
this set out in our inclusion plans, but

03:14:45.840 --> 03:14:48.375
I want to see it in action. Our council

03:14:48.399 --> 03:14:50.696
shouldn't be about ticking boxes. Again,

03:14:50.720 --> 03:14:52.295
we do great things at council and I

03:14:52.319 --> 03:14:53.816
commend this council for that. But this

03:14:53.840 --> 03:14:55.976
motion seeks to build on this through

03:14:56.000 --> 03:14:58.856
advoc advocacy, etc. Now, I hear the

03:14:58.880 --> 03:15:00.696
concerns about how can we fund it and

03:15:00.720 --> 03:15:02.455
that is why I want to direct you to

03:15:02.479 --> 03:15:05.096
point two of my motion where I'm seeking

03:15:05.120 --> 03:15:06.616
funding opportunities from state and

03:15:06.640 --> 03:15:08.056
federal governments to support the

03:15:08.080 --> 03:15:10.215
development of inclusive play spaces.

03:15:10.239 --> 03:15:11.335
This is not something that's going to

03:15:11.359 --> 03:15:13.096
happen overnight, but we need to start

03:15:13.120 --> 03:15:14.936
the war. We need to start we need to

03:15:14.960 --> 03:15:16.776
start the work on this. This is this

03:15:16.800 --> 03:15:18.455
means so much to me and I'm sure to so

03:15:18.479 --> 03:15:20.936
many within our community. So I hope

03:15:20.960 --> 03:15:22.616
everyone can support the motion. Thank

03:15:22.640 --> 03:15:23.096
you.

03:15:23.120 --> 03:15:25.576
Thank you councellor Kafri.  although

03:15:25.600 --> 03:15:26.696
I'm going to put the motion. All those

03:15:26.720 --> 03:15:28.375
in favor say I.

03:15:28.399 --> 03:15:30.215
Anyone against?

03:15:30.239 --> 03:15:33.016
I declare that carried. Um Councellors I

03:15:33.040 --> 03:15:34.616
think we are running out of time. I'm

03:15:34.640 --> 03:15:37.640
going to ask for a mover in a sec second

03:15:37.760 --> 03:15:40.760
to in accordance with 18.2 2 of the code

03:15:41.040 --> 03:15:43.096
of meeting practice that we resolve to

03:15:43.120 --> 03:15:45.176
extend the time of the meeting by

03:15:45.200 --> 03:15:47.176
additional 1 hour. Can I have a mover

03:15:47.200 --> 03:15:48.696
and a second that councellor Elmore

03:15:48.720 --> 03:15:51.096
moved? Council Saha seconded. All those

03:15:51.120 --> 03:15:53.255
in favor say I. Anyone against? I

03:15:53.279 --> 03:15:55.576
declare that carried.  we're going on

03:15:55.600 --> 03:15:58.600
to 159 Coleman Park. councellor Yasa.

03:16:02.080 --> 03:16:04.056
Thank you, Mayor. Um, we've recently

03:16:04.080 --> 03:16:06.856
learned that Coleman Park sits on the

03:16:06.880 --> 03:16:09.415
same crown land parcel as Carnavan Golf

03:16:09.439 --> 03:16:10.936
Course.

03:16:10.960 --> 03:16:13.496
That means Coleman Park faces the exact

03:16:13.520 --> 03:16:15.656
same risk of being taken away from our

03:16:15.680 --> 03:16:18.375
community. This motion is about making

03:16:18.399 --> 03:16:21.096
sure we act now. It directs council

03:16:21.120 --> 03:16:22.936
staff to expand the work already

03:16:22.960 --> 03:16:25.896
underway to protect Carnavan so that

03:16:25.920 --> 03:16:28.920
Coleman Park is included in that fight.

03:16:30.880 --> 03:16:33.096
These are not just empty fields. 

03:16:33.120 --> 03:16:35.496
Common Park and Kavvern are where our

03:16:35.520 --> 03:16:37.576
local sporting clubs train, where

03:16:37.600 --> 03:16:39.656
families spend their weekends, and where

03:16:39.680 --> 03:16:42.056
our community comes together.

03:16:42.080 --> 03:16:44.056
Losing them would be a blow we could

03:16:44.080 --> 03:16:47.080
never undo.

03:16:49.200 --> 03:16:51.096
You can already see how much this means

03:16:51.120 --> 03:16:53.736
to people. support is growing and that's

03:16:53.760 --> 03:16:55.736
why there will be a public rally at

03:16:55.760 --> 03:16:58.760
Coleman Park on Sunday 24th August at

03:16:58.880 --> 03:17:01.880
11:00 a.m. organized by Linda Vult MP

03:17:02.319 --> 03:17:04.856
the member for Orbin. I want to thank

03:17:04.880 --> 03:17:06.936
her for standing with the community on

03:17:06.960 --> 03:17:09.576
this matter. I encourage residents and

03:17:09.600 --> 03:17:12.455
my fellow councils to show up. When we

03:17:12.479 --> 03:17:14.455
stand together, we send a clear message

03:17:14.479 --> 03:17:16.696
to the state government. These spaces

03:17:16.720 --> 03:17:19.096
belong to the public and they must stay

03:17:19.120 --> 03:17:20.856
that way.

03:17:20.880 --> 03:17:22.455
As one of the councils for the regions

03:17:22.479 --> 03:17:24.455
park board, I will keep backing this

03:17:24.479 --> 03:17:26.776
fight every step of the way. Once these

03:17:26.800 --> 03:17:29.176
green spaces are gone, they are gone for

03:17:29.200 --> 03:17:32.200
good and we can't stand by and watch

03:17:32.319 --> 03:17:35.016
that happen here. Thank you.

03:17:35.040 --> 03:17:37.736
Thank you, councellor. councellor Elmore.

03:17:37.760 --> 03:17:39.576
Thank you, Mayor. And I'd like to thank

03:17:39.600 --> 03:17:42.136
council for bringing this to our

03:17:42.160 --> 03:17:43.976
attention. When the state government

03:17:44.000 --> 03:17:45.816
made this announcement, they said that

03:17:45.840 --> 03:17:48.616
um they wanted to  repurpose Canavan

03:17:48.640 --> 03:17:51.640
Golf Course into a cemetery. And um when

03:17:52.160 --> 03:17:54.295
this notice of motion come up, I had I

03:17:54.319 --> 03:17:57.319
asked um our our director, Mr. AU, um

03:17:59.120 --> 03:18:01.736
director governance and risk if he could

03:18:01.760 --> 03:18:03.736
provide some more information on it. And

03:18:03.760 --> 03:18:05.736
he certainly did. He sent me a copy of

03:18:05.760 --> 03:18:08.696
the Crown Land Management Reserves

03:18:08.720 --> 03:18:11.720
portal and  Coleman Park and Canavan

03:18:12.239 --> 03:18:14.616
Golf Course are all part of that public

03:18:14.640 --> 03:18:17.640
reserve registered on tidle R

03:18:18.720 --> 03:18:21.720
50007.

03:18:22.399 --> 03:18:23.976
Um

03:18:24.000 --> 03:18:27.000
I don't go by um names of parks. I go by

03:18:27.680 --> 03:18:29.415
land title and that's all in the same

03:18:29.439 --> 03:18:31.656
land title. It's all part of the the the

03:18:31.680 --> 03:18:34.680
crown land manager reserve and owned by

03:18:35.120 --> 03:18:37.335
crown all that land including common

03:18:37.359 --> 03:18:40.215
park is owned by the state government

03:18:40.239 --> 03:18:42.616
and  it's under management and care of

03:18:42.640 --> 03:18:45.640
council. So um when  as said when the

03:18:46.880 --> 03:18:47.896
state government made this announcement

03:18:47.920 --> 03:18:49.896
they said can golf course they got that

03:18:49.920 --> 03:18:52.920
wrong. Um if they didn't intend to um

03:18:53.600 --> 03:18:55.976
repurpose Coleman Park as well they

03:18:56.000 --> 03:18:57.335
should have singled that out and they

03:18:57.359 --> 03:18:59.736
haven't done that. So um it's very

03:18:59.760 --> 03:19:01.096
important it's very important motion

03:19:01.120 --> 03:19:04.120
that we  include  that common

03:19:04.160 --> 03:19:05.576
parkland. We've got the I've got the

03:19:05.600 --> 03:19:07.496
lots and DPS here if anybody's

03:19:07.520 --> 03:19:10.520
interested. But um by doing this um

03:19:11.600 --> 03:19:14.136
it'll in this campaign that  that's

03:19:14.160 --> 03:19:17.160
being launched to u not repurpose 

03:19:17.680 --> 03:19:20.295
Caravan Golf Course and Coleman Park

03:19:20.319 --> 03:19:22.856
into a cemetery.  it's it's very very

03:19:22.880 --> 03:19:24.856
important and um why should  we take

03:19:24.880 --> 03:19:27.335
away land from the living and um give it

03:19:27.359 --> 03:19:29.096
to the dead.

03:19:29.120 --> 03:19:31.176
That's  that's all from me.

03:19:31.200 --> 03:19:32.536
Thank you council. I have no further

03:19:32.560 --> 03:19:33.656
speakers. I'm going to put the motion.

03:19:33.680 --> 03:19:35.016
All those in favor say I.

03:19:35.040 --> 03:19:36.136
I.

03:19:36.160 --> 03:19:38.375
Anyone against?

03:19:38.399 --> 03:19:40.856
I declare that carried. Thank you. We

03:19:40.880 --> 03:19:43.880
now move to AR  07251.

03:19:46.000 --> 03:19:48.455
Um, notice of motion to alter tender

03:19:48.479 --> 03:19:49.656
evaluation report, roads,

03:19:49.680 --> 03:19:52.616
infrastructure, and services. You've

03:19:52.640 --> 03:19:54.136
withdrawn that, councellor. Okay,

03:19:54.160 --> 03:19:55.335
fantastic. We've withdrawn that. We

03:19:55.359 --> 03:19:57.656
don't have to worry about it. Perfect.

03:19:57.680 --> 03:20:00.680
Um, I think we've only got one

03:20:02.640 --> 03:20:04.776


03:20:04.800 --> 03:20:05.976
Yeah. Yeah. So, council, I'm going to

03:20:06.000 --> 03:20:07.576
propose  that in in accordance with

03:20:07.600 --> 03:20:10.295
section  10A  of the local

03:20:10.319 --> 03:20:12.056
government act of 1993 that council

03:20:12.080 --> 03:20:14.856
enter into close session to discuss 

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 25161

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 property sale Maryland CBD. Can I

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have a mover and a second for that?

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Moved councellor Caprini seconded.

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councellor Saha. All those in favor say

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I.

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Anyone against? I declare that carried

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and we'll

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we're an open council. Um and I will now

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read out the resolution passed in in the

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confidential session that council one

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note the outcome of negotiations as

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detailed within the report to approve

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the sale of council surplus land at 28

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to 36 McFarland Street.

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portfolio identifiers and there's a

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bunch of numbers which I which I won't

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read two coronation prop  proprietary

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co proprietary limited property

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co-proprietary limited um ACN16373839

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for $25 million excluding GSD inclusive

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of all terms within the offer including

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the following community benefits to be

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provided as part of any future

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development on the site. A, an increase

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to the site's existing parking capacity

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through the provision of minimum of 100

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public car spaces. B, improved car

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parking wayfinding signage to council

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satisfaction.

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C, increase from 2 to three-hour free

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parking, public parking. D,

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greater than 10% mix of three

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bedroomedroom  threebedroom units. and

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e public domain improvements along

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McFarland Street, Main Street and Civic

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Square Mrylands and F deliver of build

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to rent and affordable housing unit

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types to address housing needs across

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the Cumberland area. Three, note that

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the scale the sale price is exclusive of

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GST and the purchaser is required to pay

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the applicable GST in addition to the

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purchase price and four delegate

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authority to the general manager to

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finalize and execute the contract

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subject  to legal advice. Council, if

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there's if there's no um other 

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business, I will now close the meeting

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at 10:53 p.m. Thank you, Council.